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[Rabite]

"<Vans> character of the month august 2014 tizoc by GM, CrossCat and PotS"

With credit and pay going to... R@CE!!!! Congrats!!!

[R@CE AKIR@]

race, im just saying but, when you freely admit to charging money for edited work, theres gonna be people who like it and will pay for it (for whatever reason) and people who really dont think its ethical at all.

theres no rule against what you are doing. we encourage people to use assets form other peoples work to learn and create. but people are still gonna get mad you are charging people for someone elses, regardless if you said so or not.

the point isnt that you didnt tell anyone for these people, its the fact you did it in the first place

Look man Ok, with this i never lied about it. I did use some of the coding shown. But i also said something about it in the read me too with me forgetting to credit cross cat but that was a mistake as i sometimes make typos and such in the read m

I mean no disrepect to anyone. or anything. I didn't know this was a bad thing until some people had pointed out a few things that they do have  point about

But this was with Griffon. And I did state to others if they wanted me to do a full character or an edit I would do it.  I'm not that kind of guy who does things like some of the stuff said about me.

But I do feel what your saying Umezomo.

[Rabite]

THIS MAN IS TERRY CREW, RABITE!

Ok. Stop this drama now, guys. I tried to put the point visible, now it is. Just maybe find a solution, but in a better way?

I don't know if those 2 men are still active or not, Rabite. I just wanna say something more here, and I'm done:
- If a creator uses some works done by another creator and that he is inactive, what to do?
- If a creator uses some works done by another creator and that he is active, contact him, talk a deal ect ect. I find it normal, I repeat it.

Your bashing was not needed. Not on this form.

That's for him to figure out and nobody else to need to point out.

[Cybaster]

In my opinion, using other creator's code as a base for your own is fine, even if it is commissioned.

However, there's a difference between using something as a base (getting ideas from a code, using a few tricky varsets, etc.) and plain copy-pasting of whole states. So of course there's gonna be differences between codes, due to different varsets from game systems, or explods being changed to helpers from one template to the other, but ultimately this is just a fusion between GM and crosscat's Griffon, on top of which you put your template.
Not much thought went into this, and you used other people's work for money, which is sad.

[Hephaistos31]

Of course Rabite.
I was just asking you guys what they was thinking about the first case, because I don't really know myself.

[Umezono]

well its okay to do it, in fact theres no rule even when it comes to crediting the work. that is why many people claim x author SHOULD be credited.

what this comes down to is morals and ethics, which does not fall in the jurisdiction of forum rules. people have their opinions of what is right and wrong and this cannot be argued.

everyone here is entitled to their anger over this, because they find it morally wrong. on the other hand, those that feel its okay are entitled to this opinion to. in the eyes of the forum, what race is doing is "legal," however this doesnt make it inherently right or wrong.

[R@CE AKIR@]

In my opinion, using other creator's code as a base for your own is fine, even if it is commissioned.

However, there's a difference between using something as a base (getting ideas from a code, using a few tricky varsets, etc.) and plain copy-pasting of whole states. So of course there's gonna be differences between codes, due to different varsets from game systems, or explods being changed to helpers from one template to the other, but ultimately this is just a fusion between GM and crosscat's Griffon, on top of which you put your template.
Not much thought went into this, and you used other people's work for money, which is sad.

From Crosscat i used that one move

[Iced]

You should have been clean in the readme about what you used or not. It would have saved everyone a ton of trouble.

[Cybaster]

That being said, I can see you feel bad about it, and you should just take it as a lesson for the future.
When doing things for free, nobody cares, you can edit anything you want, everything is open-source. However, if you do commissions, don't use other people's code, only your own.

Good luck !

[AlexSin]

And where I stick with him is that this bashing is unacceptable as you should tell him this A LOT EARLIER.

Wait, we should tell him to use common sense before doing stuff? Isn't one supposed to use it from the start?

[R@CE AKIR@]

well its okay to do it, in fact theres no rule even when it comes to crediting the work. that is why many people claim x author SHOULD be credited.

what this comes down to is morals and ethics, which does not fall in the jurisdiction of forum rules. people have their opinions of what is right and wrong and this cannot be argued.

everyone here is entitled to their anger over this, because they find it morally wrong. on the other hand, those that feel its okay are entitled to this opinion to. in the eyes of the forum, what race is doing is "legal," however this doesnt make it inherently right or wrong.

Yeah well I just want to set things straight. I never lied about anything. I'm sorry that you all took offense to it. That was not my intentions at all. I took that one move out of Crosscat because I really loved that move

But what you have to understand that things were adjusted and changed around to fit Griffon because it just wasnt a simple place in. I had to go and and move things around and etc....

[Hephaistos31]

Yes, Alex, if needed. So why do it now, in this case? (in an ass here, I know)

[rednavi -RETIRED]

And where I stick with him is that this bashing is unacceptable as you should tell him this A LOT EARLIER.

Wait, we should tell him to use common sense before doing stuff? Isn't one supposed to use it from the start?

No, you're supposed to travel back in time and warn him about this outcome.

Yes, Alex, if needed. So why do it now, in this case? (in an ass here, I know)

So he doesn't do the same thing again.

[R@CE AKIR@]

You should have been clean in the readme about what you used or not. It would have saved everyone a ton of trouble.

But i did, the only thing i didnt say in there was the thing about Crossct but that was cus i forgot. People kno i sometimes fuck up in the read me and accidently miss spell or leave things out

But i did credit GM and i stated what i used

[Umezono]

yes yes we understand your intention. what you did was FINE. if this had just been a simple edit/release you did for free people would probably just ahve left the feedback at what they disliked about your character. however what you did was not neccessarily RIGHT. people disliked that this was sold. even if you moved stuff around, which is okay. youre allowed to do that. youre allowed to not move things around. people just dont want others profiting off peoples work.

[Gritsmaster]

"I just stole this iPhone and want to sell it. Hey at least I'm telling you I stole it!"

Thanks I will. Thief. Fraud. Whiner.

Look at his avatar. It's a big strong man with a big bad gun. He needs to be able to fight his own fights. Let him show how big of a man he is.

"<Vans> character of the month august 2014 tizoc by GM, CrossCat and PotS"

With credit and pay going to... R@CE!!!! Congrats!!!

YOU really need to stop. Jango, Rednavi, Cybaster, Ume, and Vans have all stated their issues in an effective and adult-like manner. I'm surprised nobody checked you already.

You are bandwagoning and name calling. If you have nothing productive to add, stay out of it. You've been doing nothing but being disruptive and childish this entire time. Quit it.

[Hephaistos31]

I put my question again: What to do if one part of code used is made by an author who is inactive.

[Niitris]

tons of stuff

Lucky this isn't the early-mid 2000s when venom was more commonplace and forums would get nuked.

Anyway, I'm not going to comment on who's right or wrong (don't really care) or the whole quitting thing. Integrity is a powerful thing something that isn't just toyed with (oh it's true). Race, you know is what Jango said is the truth or not. If not, then tell him off and keep going. If so, you got called out on it; how will you respond?

Regardless, it's pretty known that poor responses to feedback and taking code (credited or not, obviously the former is much preferred) is frowned upon and now you know why. As for how you respond: it's not about morals, it's about knowing how to defend yourself when shit is thrown in your face.

[Prime SC]

This really shouldn't be a huge issue man frfr. He made a commissioned character using 1 damn move from a character and states from another? It's still his style of coding and movements and all. It's still a r@ce style character. Now the fact he got paid for it to is it a problem? Hell I'm paying him 50 to edit a character that I love and I have no problem with it. It's not like U paid for the character.. jealousy? Iont know man but to bash someone for hard work is crazy. And that rabite guy needs to leap frog off a cliff into a ocean of sharks u r just being a donkey dude

[AlexSin]

No, you're supposed to travel back in time and warn him about this outcome.

That's what I was thinking. Now if you excuse me, I'll return to my time machine project, I have to test it now, wish me luck.

Hephaistos31, are you understanding what's the problem here?