[Theme Thread] CVS Sprite thread

[yamme]

It looks good, but I don't why the sleeves on her arm and her hands are unshaded/undetailed, when the visible shoulders are lit and detailed. Not sure if intentional or not...

I recall the reasoning for the sleeves being that I was looking at a certain sprite of Yuri's for reference where her arms were in a similar position, and they were also left rather undetailed. I assumed it was because of the arm not catching most of the light.

I think her chest should be lift up a bit, it looks strange to me.

Lift up? What do you mean?

[hatter]

What I meant was lift the position up, to me it doesn't look good in its current position.  When I first saw it, I was given the impression that her chest was sagging.

Here's what I mean (2nd example):



I mean, it's probably just me though, but if I were maybe doing the sprite, I'd have made the chest area something like that.

You did a great job staying with the color limit.

[yamme]

I can see what you're getting at, but Lilith's leotard doesn't go up that high. I also noticed you made some small changes to the forearms and hands, which I like.

[hatter]

I can agree with that. Like I mentioned, it's just how I would handle it, and what I thought about her leotard's position is probably just me.

[AlexSin]

I tried to keep the 16 color limit as well.

The colour limit is 15, not 16. The 16th colour is transparency. You can easily get rid of the shine colour on the hair and the lightest shade of the eye (same colour) by using the lightest tone of the leggings.

I would have done something like this:

[yamme]

I really like what you did for the reds (especially on the leotard and viewers left wing) and some other minor changes you made, but I feel that using red for the inside of the wings is a little confusing, and I don't really like what you did with her head. I also think her pantyhose looks a little messy.

[AlexSin]

... but I feel that using red for the inside of the wings is a little confusing, and I don't really like what you did with her head. I also think her pantyhose looks a little messy.

I just converted the black colour to a dark red, what is confusing? Since I was using a dark red I thought I could use it also in the inside of the wing; and I tried to make the head look right (yours looks too fat and "tall"). I also don't see the pantyhose as messy, but anyway, if you don't like the changes fair enough, it's just my opinion.

[lui]

I cant see how the pantyhose looks more messy, in facy alex anti-aliased it alot better and used better color accuracy for the inside of the wings

[yamme]

I just converted the black colour to a dark red, what is confusing? Since I was using a dark red I thought I could use it also in the inside of the wing; and I tried to make the head look right (yours looks too fat and "tall"). I also don't see the pantyhose as messy, but anyway, if you don't like the changes fair enough, it's just my opinion.

The insides of the wings are supposed to be a darker green, but I used black since that required adding another color. Using red makes it a little harder to tell whats the inside of the wing or not. For the head, i just think you gave it a strange shape; I looked mainly at Athena and Yuri for reference on that. And I think you just made the pantyhose a lot more less smooth, since you removed a bit of smoothing lines and made the bat print fully dark even under light for whatever reason.

[lui]

Replacing the black with dark red makes sense, capcom would not waste an extra darker shade of black on that one area, they would use the darker red to stay in the color limit. Yes it doesnt make sense but many, many sprited have to compromise this on many characters, look at ryu and his eyes being thd same color as his skin instead of white, why yun's arm use the same color as his skin for the lower part of his arm guard, its all to stay in the limit

[yamme]

I disagree. I don't think they'd change the color for something completely different, especially for something rather prominent. They didn't do that on her original cps2 sprite either.

[Enso]

walrusrui has a very good point about how Capcom did with CVS style in color limit, that is. Even Alex corrected yours to look more prominent and accurate to fit the style. CPS2 and CVS are different in graphics term and size. CVS style size is meant to be smaller in width than CPS2 because KOF style is smaller in width as well when SNK made KOF games. But for Morrigan, since she's from Dark Stalkers, Dark Stalkers was the first game with cartoonish graphics with some black outlines before they improved cartoon styles (I mean sprites in this) such as X-Men/Marvel, CVS series, and Street Fighter Alpha series. The wings from your edit Lilith look like they are from Morrigan. (I might be wrong on this, but Capcom used SNK characters to sprite and match with the CPS2 style at first. Then they went for a different approach on the shading part since both companies shaded differently. KOF style is shaded from above front or right. CVS = straight above; SFA/CPS2 = the front side especially to the left side (viewer's right side)) Also, Capcom used some reused characters like CPS2 ones and scaled them so they wouldn't look bulky especially to SNK characters. Capcom didn't bother stylizing some CPS2 characters into CVS especially Morrigan due to time constraints.

[Slayer.]

Well, Yamori, you can stick with your version.
But you can't deny that Alex's corrections make it better.

[yamme]

walrusrui has a very good point about how Capcom did with CVS style in color limit, that is. Even Alex corrected yours to look more prominent and accurate to fit the style.

He does have a great point, I just don't think it applies to the color in question. And I don't think Alex's sprite is more accurate, but that's just how I feel about it.

The wings from your edit Lilith look like they are from Morrigan. (I might be wrong on this, but Capcom used SNK characters to sprite and match with the CPS2 style at first.

Well, they're minorly edited from Lilith's original CPS2 sprite, so technically they are..?

Well, Yamori, you can stick with your version.
But you can't deny that Alex's corrections make it better.

I can deny that.

[lui]

in the end it doesn't really matter who's is more accurate, yamori has hers and alex has his edit, it doesn't really matter.

i personally prefer alex's alot more but if yamori wants to prefer her own there is nothing wrong with that. it's a bit stubborn, yes, but it's not a bad thing at all.

[hatter]

The only things I think she should carry over from Alex's edit onto her's if she desires to stick with her rendition are the shadows on the top of the leggings and the added eye. But that's my opinion, in the end I actually like both.

[Slayer.]

Damn... HAHAHAHAHA!

[Enso]

I do agree completely straight, guys.

Well, they're minorly edited from Lilith's original CPS2 sprite, so technically they are..?

My bad. I meant Lilith, but I also meant for the shading part of her wings based on what Alex did. I looked at Morrigan at first before I checked with Lilith. I don't think I had seen the wings being shaded like the way he did. If you don't like what Alex did, then that's fine with me. Yours ain't bad at all though but it's okay in my opinion.

[yamme]

I apologize if I was being annoying about it. I just didn't want to make any changes I didn't really agree with, but I also feel like I may have sounded really arrogant, or stuck up.

The only things I think she should carry over from Alex's edit onto her's if she desires to stick with her rendition are the shadows on the top of the leggings and the added eye. But that's my opinion, in the end I actually like both.

I was thinking a lot about the second eye being visible (at least partly), but before, I didn't really think I could do it without it looking strange. I gave it another shot here, as well as with some small changes from everyone's suggestions and Alex's edit. I'd like to know what you guys think.

[Enso]

It's all good. I knew you were not trying to be annoying about it. But I began to understand and agree you didn't agree with the changes after walruslui and Hatter explained about your preference.

What I think about your edit. I like that you added an eye on her left. So, I don't have anything to say but I can say it's a nice edit.