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Re: New Faces for CVS POTS in 2024 - What are your requests?
#2  November 22, 2023, 04:35:02 am
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I feel like this would be better in Idea Engineering since it's less asking for pre-existing content and more brainstorming and hypotheticals. I know there have been a few attempts at PotS-ifying some of these characters (Nexus Games doing Bass, Laslab Games doing Chris Redfield, Prime SC doing Rick Strowd) but those aren't particularly... great, and not everyone in your image would adapt well to the style.

I'd personally like to see better adaptations of the remaining CvS2 base cast since a lot of the existing PotS sus versions of them are just whatever Warusaki or Gal did being copypasted into Memo's 10-year-old PotS template, and don't really show what the characters are capable of doing in source, or even showing the best of their abilities like the characters actually by PotS usually did. I can't say everyone from CvS2 is adaptable (Chang and Choi are missing a lot of their KoF moves, and youd have to get really creative with Todoh to make him really feel PotS-ey), but a good amount could work with it.

I also just want to see more variety in the scene as it is. There's way too much PotS, way too much OHMSBY, and way too much JUS (guilty as charged), and a lot of the cool variety people from yesteryear either left or are currently MIA. There's not really a lot of ways to bring people into the scene that aren't just SaltyBet or Brergrsart or crazy "anything goes" compilations, so making new and fresh characters from more modern sources (or even old ones that are more obscure) would help, but I doubt it's going to happen any time soon due to how demanding resources actually are.
Re: New Faces for CVS POTS in 2024 - What are your requests?
#3  November 22, 2023, 04:56:55 am
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"We all love POTS Style"

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Re: New Faces for CVS POTS in 2024 - What are your requests?
#4  November 22, 2023, 09:54:25 am
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"We all love POTS Style"

I don't
Who are you and what have you created, aside hate? Thanks.


Also, the topic feela more lile a request than else. Let's follow the game hahahaha. I'd say Shun'ei, since he has his sprites converted to classic kof too(I don't remember the name of the author), but it would be a nice adittion.
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Re: New Faces for CVS POTS in 2024 - What are your requests?
#5  November 22, 2023, 12:19:12 pm
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I think it's good, I really like POTS style.

With all due respect, as others have said, some characters are a bit PotS-ifying. POTS is good to have a lot of sprites, parry, rolling, a lot of intros and wins poses, color separation and palettes.

Another problem, in my opinion, is that not all characters fit into POTS. Hulk, Superman, Ironman, Captain Marvel, and some anime characters need to be heavily nerfed to fit into the pots style.

There was a rain of POTS-ifying chars in 2023 and almost none of them really polished POTS. They are burning cartridges, because if someone wants to create one of these characters, the authors will accuse them of editing and not giving credit.

In time, at least in this 2024 list the chars I am creating do not appear
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#6  November 22, 2023, 12:56:34 pm
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Pretty much matches my 2 cents on this.

Some characters don't mesh well with the style unless you modify or reconsider the way they play. You can't just copy their code from an existing version of them, because they kinda become PotS in FX and Mechanics only.
It comes off as the characters being converted just so a PotS version of them can exist and not much else.
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#7  November 22, 2023, 03:44:29 pm
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"We all love POTS Style"

I don't
Who are you and what have you created, aside hate? Thanks.

I really don't know how exactly my post creates "hate" when is just my opinion. That's very nonsensical but whatever

And for you information, I actually work on a full game project alongside other people... The VS Style Debuts Tag Team Revolution Project that even has a page here on this site, you should check it out. We are working on revamping the game with new mechanics and more combo possibilities

Can't wait to work on Shun'ei for that project btw
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#8  November 22, 2023, 03:57:58 pm
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#9  November 22, 2023, 04:17:25 pm
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#10  November 22, 2023, 05:06:01 pm
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I also just want to see more variety in the scene as it is.
Me too. But then every time someone makes something different it barely gets attention.

This lol

I’m not a fan of the PotS style (no offense), I think it’s become horrendously oversaturated. There’s just too much of it, to the point where nothing really feels unique now.

But yeah. Most people eat it up. So the lack of variety in the scene seemingly doesn’t matter.





I also can’t wait to get hated for not liking PotS style lol
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#11  November 22, 2023, 05:10:24 pm
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I also just want to see more variety in the scene as it is.
Me too. But then every time someone makes something different it barely gets attention.

This lol

I’m not a fan of the PotS style (no offense), I think it’s become horrendously oversaturated. There’s just too much of it, to the point where nothing really feels unique now.

But yeah. Most people eat it up. So the lack of variety in the scene seemingly doesn’t matter.





I also can’t wait to get hated for not liking PotS style lol

We spread "hate" Jake!

Re: New Faces for CVS POTS in 2024 - What are your requests?
#12  November 22, 2023, 05:13:58 pm
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#13  November 22, 2023, 05:54:16 pm
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Stop spreading the hate dammit!








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#14  November 22, 2023, 06:12:39 pm
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Everyone has their preferences, be it pots tile, ohmsby tile, mvc tile, whatever. No one is obligated to like a style.
I think that phrase was more to get attention, but we can't deny this specific style has many fans and imitators.

I get why some people "don't like" the style, or think it's oversaturated. As stated here, we have a lot of characters that are just slapped in the template and not given the attention to detail.

The thing is, doing it right is not easy. Well, nothing is easy if you want itto be good, and I'm not talking specifically about mugen.
I think because we have a lot of characters made in this style that are not 'good', we get the feeling that "if it's pots tile, then it is bad". Or maybe is just my own way of thinking, idk. This can also be said about other styles too, I'm not the biggest fan of MvC2 but I like playing it sporadically, I remember there were a lot of bad MvC2 chars out there. Like really bad. :P

Edit: I forgot the most important part of this topic:

Put your characters in the comments, who knows, maybe a creator can make your request a reality.

If you want something to be made, do it yourself, or prepare your wallet.
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Re: New Faces for CVS POTS in 2024 - What are your requests?
#15  November 22, 2023, 06:48:45 pm
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I think because we have a lot of characters made in this style that are not 'good', we get the feeling that "if it's pots tile, then it is bad".

It doesn't help that the boundaries of what's good were pushed quite a bit in the past few years. I particularly think that my past releases haven't aged that well, but those creations, were regarded by me and others as pretty high quality releases.

I'd like to see a PotS Leona that fixes the animation issues present in the KoF sprites. Especially on the jumping animations.
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#16  November 22, 2023, 07:12:12 pm
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Chang and Choi.  Mostly on how the creator would implement recent tag/puppet/striker mechanics of today to give Chang and Choi a more versatile gameplay while blending the duo's CvS playstyle, maybe give them additional buffs like how JMorphman has done with King.

I'm kinda surprised this has not yet been tackled on, but then again, it's Chang and Choi.
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#17  November 22, 2023, 08:25:24 pm
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I really don't know how exactly my post creates "hate" when is just my opinion. That's very nonsensical but whatever

Exactly, your opinion. Going to a post like this ONLY to say that is like you're looking for attention or someone to fight at. No es chido. Not cool. No mola.
I for example don't like the KoF style but I respect the creators. And I don't go to the KoF projects saying that style is not nice or whatever. I don't spread my personal taste over other people that likes it. And of course, as my opinion out of tune with that could create a flamewar, I prefer to shut up.SF? I'm in. CvS? I'm in. KoF? I love the designs, but not the gameplay. MvC? Like the designs, like the characters, not liking the gameplay. That's all. Personal tastes.

And for you information, I actually work on a full game project alongside other people... The VS Style Debuts Tag Team Revolution Project that even has a page here on this site, you should check it out. We are working on revamping the game with new mechanics and more combo possibilities

Can't wait to work on Shun'ei for that project btw

Fine you're working on something. New faces are always welcome.

Stop spreading the hate dammit!


You'd better spread the Word of God, infidel xD!!




It doesn't help that the boundaries of what's good were pushed quite a bit in the past few years. I particularly think that my past releases haven't aged that well, but those creations, were regarded by me and others as pretty high quality releases.

I'd like to see a PotS Leona that fixes the animation issues present in the KoF sprites. Especially on the jumping animations.


But that's something that happens to a lot of people. You know the opinion I have about my Viper. BTW, what issues on Leona you're speakking about?

PS: I forgot it!! One of the most beloved Martians and for sure the cutest!!

This one has all its sprites from SvC/NGBC converted to (kinda) CvS.




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#18  November 22, 2023, 11:38:35 pm
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I really don't know how exactly my post creates "hate" when is just my opinion. That's very nonsensical but whatever

Exactly, your opinion. Going to a post like this ONLY to say that is like you're looking for attention or someone to fight at. No es chido. Not cool. No mola.
I for example don't like the KoF style but I respect the creators. And I don't go to the KoF projects saying that style is not nice or whatever. I don't spread my personal taste over other people that likes it. And of course, as my opinion out of tune with that could create a flamewar, I prefer to shut up.SF? I'm in. CvS? I'm in. KoF? I love the designs, but not the gameplay. MvC? Like the designs, like the characters, not liking the gameplay. That's all. Personal tastes.


Geez, my friend. You could ignore me like I'm ignoring AlesRos' posts

It was not that serious, just telling Maze to not speak for everyone....

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#19  November 23, 2023, 12:03:54 am
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BTW, what issues on Leona you're speakking about?
Leona is a KoF character from the old games, and as such has a fair amount of animation quirks related to low framecount on his animations.

Some of them don't look that bad, as there's some clever frame recycling going on:


Some of them look quite choppy tho:


But the real dealbreakers come from the jumping animations.
This is her (overly complicated) neutral jump:

This is her coherent but choppy at the end forwards jump:

And this is her embarrassing backwards jump:


I'd say time and time again in the MFG Discord that while Leona is one of my favorite characters and I'd be totally down to code her even with her KoF sprites, the absolute choppyness of her jumping animations holds me back from doing do. I'd totally code Leona if an animator smooth her animations out like Guillotine does.
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#20  November 23, 2023, 12:11:32 am
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Sorry to intrude on the Leona thing

Geez, my friend. You could ignore me like I'm ignoring AlesRos' posts

It was not that serious, just telling Maze to not speak for everyone....

There's the point at which an opinion is an opinion, and there's the point at which you need to get out of the thread.

We're now at the latter point.
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Re: New Faces for CVS POTS in 2024 - What are your requests?
#21  November 23, 2023, 12:23:08 am
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Put your characters in the comments, who knows, maybe a creator can make your request a reality.
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This

Personally, I'm also oversaturated of "POTS-style" chars but I don't hate them, even more, I respect creators who made chars like this (especially his "creator") since I tried myself to make some and failed miserably since it has a technique and MUGEN skills that few can get, which makes me respect those ones who achieve it. Sadly as said before, there're a lot of bad imitators that made bad works and make bad fame to this style of MUGEN creations, and I also understand them about why this trend is not so loved as before...

And don't be harsh with the Croix guy, Speed, I understand him and I know he was joking, I'm part of having more variety myself (like the actual "OHMSBY-style"), but I also know people who still like that and will consume it no matter the quality of them

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#22  November 23, 2023, 02:16:30 am
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Chang and Choi.  Mostly on how the creator would implement recent tag/puppet/striker mechanics of today to give Chang and Choi a more versatile gameplay while blending the duo's CvS playstyle, maybe give them additional buffs like how JMorphman has done with King.

I feel like more people would want Chang and Choi as separate characters rather than the duo character they were in CvS2, hence why I brought them up when I was talking about characters who probably couldn't be converted that well, alongside their KoF moves. Falcon Rapper's attempts at giving them those moves are a bit... sloppy, and he didn't bring in every move they had (like Chang's stomp), so that's probably why they've been in a bit of a rut despite them being one of the more popular "classic" picks.
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#23  November 23, 2023, 02:35:35 am
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I would just like a Mario, preferably not using ShinRyouga's fantastic custom sprites as they have very stubby basic attacks or Mario Mario, he's already great. A Wario would be neat too in this style. Aware Tyler's Mario edit and JJ's Wario exist as well, they're great characters, more interpretations wouldn't hurt though.

I feel like a POTS SpongeBob could work using Madoldcrow's sprites.
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Re: New Faces for CVS POTS in 2024 - What are your requests?
#24  November 23, 2023, 04:38:08 am
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Well, when I said we all love CVS POTS, that means it's a Thread aimed at those who really like this style, that doesn't mean everyone in general.

I like this style because even though the character isn't perfect, the creators add a lot of things and revitalize forgotten characters.

I opened it so that each of you can post your CVS POTS requests indicating what the character would be, keep in mind that this Thread is for those who really love this style, if you don't like it, it won't be useful for you.
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#25  November 23, 2023, 04:40:01 am
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In all honesty I want more NON Capcom and SNK characters to be made in POTS style like Infinite's Cloud or the majority of SennouRoom's characters. It's tiring to see Street Fighter and KOF characters in this style imo.

Don't get me wrong people can make whatever char they want but can you imagine how cool it would be if someone made POTS versions of Zero (With RamzaNeko's sprites), more MVC characters, Sub-Zero (with SeanAltly's sprites) or more characters from obscure fighters like Chaos Code and Golden Axe: the Duel?

I tried to make a Kain Blade back in 2019 but canceled it because I bit off more than I could chew. I didn't wanna be branded another "shitty POTS imitator" either. Discouragement's a real bitch. :/
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New #26  November 23, 2023, 05:06:42 am
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Re: New Faces for CVS POTS in 2024 - What are your requests?
#27  November 23, 2023, 08:50:10 am
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i am satisfied all cvs1 characters minus nako and morrigan were all made in pots style so that I can one day compiled a cvs2 waruaski3+h+jesuszilla+gal129+rei etc vs. the pots style mugen for my own except for zangief with mika as his striker in one of his level 3 super move, I have to edit him on my own which I did managed to do it on warusaki3's zangief for my personal taste. Anyway for non cvs characters, hydron, cheng, franco bash and kusaregedo based on thread starter's first post, I would love to see these four. For franco bash, I believe prime sc was making him, so I don't know if it is still continuing? Anyway, I would love to see sentinel, but I felt like he fits in more in infinite style after seeing infinite did to doctor doom, kain etc which was pretty interesting

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#28  November 23, 2023, 09:31:25 am
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I feel like more people would want Chang and Choi as separate characters rather than the duo character they were in CvS2, hence why I brought them up when I was talking about characters who probably couldn't be converted that well, alongside their KoF moves.
I agree. While the character as a duo is quite unique as its the only puppet character from CvS2, Chang and Choi happen to have clear unique identities of their own that are worth exploring.
IMO I'd be better to explore the concept of a PotS puppet character with a character that naturally belongs to said archetype, like Zato.
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#29  November 23, 2023, 04:58:01 pm
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To be blunt: This shit takes too long now lol.

We see a "downtick" in creation now, is what I assume to be, real life. I myself work 85% of the time. When I have time off, it's really hard to spend what little time I have on MUGEN. I miss the days when I had more free time. My motivation had been killed for a bit back when I lost my files. Though now, it's just a lack of time. Several have mentioned this as well, adapting characters to play in this way isn't easy. Especially those who don't come from a Cap/SNK background. There's a lot of consideration to take into account if you truly want something good. Still, in most cases, it still just doesn't work out. There're so many factors now that it's just so hard to get it with limited time. I get wanting to request that fave character you wish were in your roster.

Though DS is right: Making it yourself or commissioning it are your best options. Trial by error, don't be discouraged. You learn by doing. It may seem impossible for you, but no one starts out good really. This all happened over time as creators progress and learn more. I honestly feel now is the most streamline a process can get for making something this way. A lot of the groundwork has been done by various creators to where you can get the basis of the gameplay system and all running w/o much hassle. It's the nuances of the characters in question that you would want to create that fall mostly on you as the creator to iron out.

I have no qualms with requests. Though maybe this discussion can also turn into inspiration for the budding creator spreading their wings and giving it a go. You will stumble along the way, but as long as you're receptive to the mistakes you make, and learn from them, you'll be fine. You'll have people come at you with vitriol, though you'll also have people encourage you to be better. As long as you have that drive to be better, and recognition to see that what you've done always has room for improvement, you can make those dream characters you want.
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#30  November 23, 2023, 05:56:33 pm
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Fully agree and can relate.

I don't have time to play let alone sit down and learn properly.

I can imagine coding/data mining/gathering assets takes lots and lots of time.

Also being in IT myself after work looking at code is the last thing I want to do.

As for the style itself, it has its drawbacks, it has way to many defensive mechanics and I believe Rowen mentioned it not everything fits or needs to be in POTS style.
 
However, saying this, the most authentic chars I've used have been in this style.

Not to mention that I barely have interest in fighting games nowadays, mostly RPG's which I do not have time to play.

Having the patience of a toddler is also a thing, I cant be assed to learn new fighting game with its ins and outs.

Though an year or two ago I would have murdered someone for a POTS Rick.
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Re: New Faces for CVS POTS in 2024 - What are your requests?
#32  December 17, 2023, 05:34:24 pm
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after seeing Gêmeos dos Jogos released his ziria, I almost forgot about his manjimaru, very well made with mode select like sennou-room's characters and what is more is that Gêmeos dos Jogos has a mode that allows players to choose to play from original game such as kabuki klash mode aside from max and custom pots style mode, so I felt like I look forward to his kabuki klash characters especialy kinu, one of my best favorite female character from that game  :truestory:

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