ink said, August 11, 2015, 03:28:37 amWelp, my views are dramatically different then this guys...Maybe because I have seen racism first hand. Just because you don't see it or ignore it doesn't mean its not around.I conceded to that but still think it's an unlikelihood. I think people are systematically indoctrinated into believing race is the enormous issue that it isn't. I have to take everything you say by faith and I'll presume it's at least somewhat exaggerated, but would you care to share your supposed racist experience?Dumanios said, August 11, 2015, 03:34:48 amWe ain't got segregation no more, that means racism is over, amirite?Spoiler, click to toggle visibiltyWe once had segregation. That means racism will never end and is eternal and institutionalized because it was history and history is incapable of being changed, amirite?Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
First, I hate to ask but what race are you? I'm gonna guess one that doesn't get stepped on or run into to many obstacles. Maybe one that doesn't notice problems because they are at the top of the food chain. Are you a great white?
Xan said, August 11, 2015, 03:46:35 amThe entire American Midwest is also some sort of bizarre heat-induced group hallucination.This is actually true because as someone who has lived in New England my whole life, I can attest that is physically impossible for there to be any kind of land mass that is not entirely made of mountains. There is no such thing as flat ground.
Jango Hakamichi said, August 11, 2015, 03:40:52 amJango said, August 11, 2015, 03:03:45 amsomething about ableism I don't know how the quote got butcheredYour sarcasm is directed toward the very people I'm arguing against so I can only take it as a sign of agreement. I feel you're trying to paint me as some caricature anti-SJW fedora tipper but you're actually mocking them, not me.ink said, August 11, 2015, 03:42:12 amFirst, I hate to ask but what race are you? I'm gonna guess one that doesn't get stepped on or run into to many obstacles. Maybe one that doesn't notice problems because they are at the top of the food chain. Are you a great white?Irrelevant and not answering. I can see things around me just as well as anyone else can (HURR DURR NO U CANT COS UR SUPER RACIST). I'd love to hear about your real life experience with racism now.Round of applause for the ingenious 'I can't see it so I'm an idiot for thinking it isn't true' crowd. You're just as bad (I'd say worse) for saying 'I haven't seen it but it's probably true because they tell me it is.' I've never seen time travel but I hear about it a lot, therefore we have invented time travel. See, completely nullified. Not a very good argument.
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 03:03:45 amYou've all shown that you adamantly believe blacks are being discriminated against in the U.S. From what you based that on, I have no idea.I'm going to just focus on this because this feels like the root of everything. I get you're whole "bigger picture" thing. The "conspiracy of those in power to straight up decide to unite against blacks" is most probably not happening.It's all the smaller racism that are the problem that amount to the big picture. You say yourself that there is actually racism on personal levels and that there is no way for us to completely overcome that. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do things to make those go away, When a large number of individuals display even small amounts of racism it adds up and becomes a huge problem.Increasing awareness will at least make people have to "sugar coat" and "think twice" about how they act. Maybe they won't shoot that unarmed black kid. Maybe they won't be a jerk to someone in fear of it going viral or them being called out.It's a bunch of subtle stuff that creates the problems.A small example off the top of my head as of late is the media's way of describing White shooters vs anyone else.As for the whole "more black crime, etc". I mean, I guess I can't straight up say 100% that blacks aren't more likely to break the law in an equal environment. But it's not equal. Thanks to slavery the white populace was able to get a head start and build themselves up. Then later when equality was finally made law the black citizens were left to build themselves up in a country that had built itself on using them as a tool you own. That didn't think they were human. That had already established small things that aided the whites. When you look and see that the wealth is so far divided proportionally a larger amount of blacks don't get decent educations. They can't afford it. While whites mostly self segregated itself to better cities. Segregation in schools is actually on the rise. It's things like this that need to be mentioned. They need to be addressed. I'm no specialist in any shape of the word in this field. I just hope this aids in gaining a slightly different POV.
^^ Hey at least my idiocy is the playful kind. Your mentally deficient ass is being dead serious.Why aren't you banned yet?
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 03:56:19 amRound of applause for the ingenious 'I can't see it so I'm an idiot for thinking it isn't true' crowd. You're just as bad (I'd say worse) for saying 'I haven't seen it but it's probably true because they tell me it is.' I've never seen time travel but I hear about it a lot, therefore we have invented time travel. See, completely nullified. Not a very good argument.Holy shit do you read your trite before you post it. You're kinda skipping out on the part where very few people, if not zero, say time travel is real and tangible in this day and age.
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 03:56:19 amJango Hakamichi said, August 11, 2015, 03:40:52 amJango said, August 11, 2015, 03:03:45 amsomething about ableism I don't know how the quote got butcheredYour sarcasm is directed toward the very people I'm arguing against so I can only take it as a sign of agreement. I feel you're trying to paint me as some caricature anti-SJW fedora tipper but you're actually mocking them, not me.I didn't say that! As far as the quote goes, I edited it out because I thought it would be funnier to just have Lilly from Katawa Shoujo, who's legally blind, saddened by your "EDITED FOR THE LEGALLY BLIND" comment. I don't see how me calling you an ableist is insulting anyone else arguing with you about racism.Since you seem to be having problems with understanding context, here's the joke: You're trying so hard to say that racism doesn't exist (it does), but then you go out and insult individuals with blindness because you didn't like formatting paragraphs. So I was just pointing out that it was funny that you're trying to say "HEY GUYS I'M NOT RACIST AND IT DOESN'T EXIST" when you're using a disability as an insult.If you want me to be totally honest, I skimmed through most of your paragraphs, read jibberish, and gave up. The only things I noted was your salty edit comment.
Jigiba said, August 11, 2015, 03:56:19 amRound of applause for the ingenious 'I can't see it so I'm an idiot for thinking it isn't true' crowd. You're just as bad (I'd say worse) for saying 'I haven't seen it but it's probably true because they tell me it is.' I've never seen time travel but I hear about it a lot, therefore we have invented time travel. See, completely nullified. Not a very good argument.If you're wondering why nobody is taking you seriously, it's because your "opinion" that the objective fact of racism and racial inequality does not exist because you did not personally witness every single instance of it happen directly in front of you is so mind-warpingly wrong and immature that it's impossible to approach with anything less than amusement.Literally centuries of racial oppression and inequality that is hard-wired into almost every single facet of society that has only even begun making a headway towards correction in the last 50 or so years is not going to magically disappear because you're choosing to cover your ears and say "la la la la I can't hear you."
I myself am white.If a minority is calling out for help, the right thing to do is acknowledge them and help.Im sure you wouldn't pretend women aren't being raped if they are screaming "I'm being raped", even if you don't directly view it. Am I right?
Time travel is real tho.In all seriousness and back on topic, Jigiba I get the impression that you're arguing just for the sake of it (granted, you are defending your views on one hand). You're asking for personal experiences but even if one person provided one, I believe- no I guarantee you'd be quick to challenge the whole thing. You'd probably try to dismantle the whole situation as coincidence or circumstantial/anything but racial discrimination.I get your point on certain things. I just don't believe you yourself are even open to seeing the possibility that you are wrong.I actually hate your whole "I've never witnessed it so it doesn't exist" argument. I've never witnessed human trafficking, the media talks about it, so it can't happen right?Anyway, my main question is would you be open to changing your views? If not, then there is no point in this discussion.
There is no racism from his perspective because his perspective is limited to a certain environment. In other words, there is no racism in his mom's basement. Seriously though, you could argue that there is no racism because race doesn't exist, but it doesn't change the fact that there are racists with power of authority. It also does not change the fact that institutional racism exists and is left over from the slavery and Jim Crow that you cited. Please don't reply. I honestly don't think that there is anything I can say to change your mind. I don't even think this should be topic, because having a debate about this suggests that there is something to debate. I find supporting a debate about race on a gaming forum to be as unethical as a Jerry Springer Episode about race. As sensational as your point-of-view is, I am not going to change your mind and the existence of this thread will only serve to validate that there is a debate, when there is not.
