david bazbars dont really look that good and wouldnt fit this project without huge fixes. the animations he posted are so jerky
well hi dont know if you have already decide for Joe story but here my idea for itAfter losing the first street fighter tournament against Ryu Joe spent the next years fighting in underground fight and was put in jail many time. During his time in prison, he meant and befriend a certain Cody Trevors. When Bison announce his new street fighter tounement, knowing that could not do anything to arrest him, interpol add the idea to sent a double agent. They chose Joe. At first he did not want to do it but when he heard that he could keep the prize money he lefted to win the money and to get is boringness away.I hope you like it.
Hmm...it's nice, but it doesn't really fits him at all.He was defeated during SF1, but we don't know who kicked his ass. Weall suppose it was Ryu, because is the only selectable character(aside Ken, but Ken is not really canon there, since he was participating in the America Martial Arts-tournament that he won). Also, now that we are speaking about the America Martial Arts Tournament, I've read at Vasili's faq that Joe was once the champion and next year was defeated by Charlie N. And then Ken arrived. It could be like he allies with Shadaloo to kick Charlie's ass, but I don't think he's THAT evil. He has some respect for himself, as a martial artist. He's not a conceited as Claw, insolent as Boxer or proud as Sagat. At least not as far as we know
I prefer the story we already discussed where he's an averag guy that likes to fight. But after SF1 settled down and got a job and family. Giving up his dreams of fighting "giving up the ghost". But he secretly still fights in underground pit fighting which is where his Tyler Durden side comes from.No need for him to have an elaborate intertwining story :p
well i was thinking that he was in jail since is stage in alpha3 would have been cody stage. the fact that he know cody was that he was replace by him.
Well could be taken in consideration of the storyline the intro of Street Fighter 2 and Final Fight Streetwise.
The story about him being an average guy and a secret pit fighter can still work with streetwise. Streetwise helped inspire it. Heck he could've even met Cody in jail and all that after SF1. Settling down after getting out. He just doesn't need an elaborate story with shaowloo. His story against bison or Gill or any boss could be that he just happened into the whole situation and beat them. Or even dreams he took down shadowloo while coming home from another day's work. (Fight with bison is a dream, pit fighting still real)
I don't think I've ever heard the expression, "giving up the ghost" myself I don't know if it's a fairly common thing, when I looked it up it made sense though. Why not something simple like "dream crusher" or again..it could be that I've just not come across this expression myself and it may be more common than I think. Story wise, I think it would have been interesting to build on him, by maybe combining those thoughts with the idea of him being the former US champion until losing to Ken. I don't know if this would be too much like Rufus however, but it was just a thought.
C-G-U said, April 26, 2014, 12:22:24 amI don't think I've ever heard the expression, "giving up the ghost"The "Ghost" in question is the name of the character in Streetwise whom everybody assumes to be Joe because of the exact same design (but not the same style and moves). I never heard that expression either (I see it means to die) but it's not related to the use here, which is, giving up his persona "the Ghost" and be an average guy (in the manner of the Fight Club narrator character). It shouldn't be renamed dream crusher or anything like that because that's ambiguous and the ghost is a direct reference to the character Ghost in Streetwise. Joe is the one giving up his Ghost identity.By the way, where did that backstory come from, of being a champion in an official tournament until he was defeated by Charlie or Ken ? I'm checking the Japanese Wikipedia and it says he's a champion in underground martial arts. that just sounds like Streetwise, not actual championship.
Oh I was just thinking on the spot, just in reference to the only opponents in SF1 being Ryu and Ken, and because they were both American I figured it seemed set up like him having reasons to feel inferior to Ken since losing back in the first game. I do get more of where this came from now at least, I never played Streetwise because I always heard bad things about it, so I never touched it, but I guess if it's a reference to another Capcom game it makes more sense and I certainly get the reference after researching it a bit.Other aspects that could be borrowed from I guess may be possible to pull from the character he was based on, which according to the Capcom Wiki was a fighter named Joe Lewis, who is an entrepreneur. So perhaps tying the washed up fighter story with him finding successful business endeavors that kept him from fighting for many years could be a possibility. Even the prison story could be pretty much something like those Undisputed movies where he ends up fighting in a prison fight club, and proves himself in the ring, eventually making his way out, either by breaking out...or lasting his huge sentence which is what kept him away from the games for years.
Yeah, the "finding successful business position keeping him away from real martial arts, but still coming back to fight clubs" fits with the Tyler Durden motif.
The interesting thing about this game going through the SF series starting from 1 to 3 is that at the end of each "game" we could tell this story. Where he loses in SF 1 (even though you beat sagat as the player) to him getting thrown in jail and meeting Cofy in alpha, to getting out in Sf2 and so on. This could be done with all characters.
Meeting Cody (and thus, going to prison) is an invention solely based on the fact that Cody replaced Joe at the last minute in the roster and went away with his Crack Kick, though. And the SF2 intro with Joe punching Mike was only a throwback to SF1 without any actual sense of story. At the end of the day, it's all fanmade.
I wasn't relating that aspect of it directly to it, I was just mixing some of the information from which the character is based on, who was a fighter and is now a business man, I was just considering the possibility, to see where his story could branch out, not necessarily tieing into this whole Tyler Durden thing. Are any of the other SF1 characters *who were officially resprited at least* making a return? It would be Birdie, Adon and Eagle (and I guess Balrog, because apparently Mike and him might be the same guy)
It's also all we got to work with and feels pretty good. Being a fan made game we can twist things how we want. Fan made canon for the fan made game :pNinja'd this was in response to byakko
I dunno, I just don't see a reason to tie him to Cody apart from how Cody stole his Crack Kick. And if that goes, then Joe going to prison also becomes uninteresting, it's too random. It's like specifying that Mike or Boxer or anyone else from Shadaloo went to prison, it's just there to have something to say about them, and at this point it just feels like random fanfiction #37682. Sticking to the basics is fine too. Joe possibly doing prison time is a very minor detail if all he needs is "guy who gave up fighting but can't quit fight clubs". Compare to everyone else in the cast, they don't have, and don't need, that kind of detail. Someone like Gen only gets details because he keeps meeting Gouki, someone like Adon just need an excuse to have Sagat as his rival in SFZ3 etc. Dan and Blanka knowing each other was a big joke that evolved into a piece of cool backstory, rather than the other way around (trying to force some backstory then making it relevant)Joe knowing Cody from prison would only be relevant if there's some piece of story mode with rival battles and Joe's is meeting Cody and ending up teaming up with him to clean up Mad Gear or something. Without that, then it just feels irrelevant. And if he does get any sort of rival battle, I'd see it more as a fight club meeting with someone, and that someone just has to be wandering wonderboy Ryu, it's a lot more "in context" than randomly knowing this guy and that guy and that other dude.
Hmm I see your points, I just wasn't sure if the backstory used in this fangame was established yet, and so I thought it would be interesting to just plan out other possibilities to either add, or reconsider his story. Which is why I mentioned things like that real fighter he was based on being a possibility for more ideas, although I can see how it conflicts with the current idea of his pit fighting career. I would have argued that potentially his connection to Cody could have been reconnected to the events of Streetwise, but since I never played that game I'm assuming they don't encounter each other, as the only video I can see of someone fighting him is with Kyle. Had that been the case it could have always been more of an issue of them being enemies, however with him , with Joe joining the gangs in Final Fight leading to some encounter. Also the fact that he's so undeveloped and you never really get any insight as to his motivations, this could be hard to argue too. That seems to be null and void though for the same reason that I can't find any issues of them coming across each other again in that game.Overall though, I do understand what you mean though, there really isn't a large, established enough reason to really motivate some of the ideas I had mentioned. Perhaps that is why a lot of it sounds the way it does, I'm honestly just generating random possibilities, I take no issue with the current stance he's in, and again I only thought of these things, because I hadn't gotten that initial connection, I was trying to consider broader approaches in the chance that people didn't understand what that reference was.
