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#2222  December 18, 2016, 07:56:12 pm
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We're also meant to get 30 free quartz at the end of Babylon for the Merlin gacha, right ?

Gil shows the analysis of Tiamat's real body, giant looping horns everywhere. (the image is from Roman who gathered the data from Uruk) Gil says that all witness reports indicate Tiamat can only move on her water, she' always connected to it by the legs, so she has to swallow the land before moving in. Like the rails of a train. Roman calls it the chaos tide.
A soldier says Tiamat is going to reach Uruk in 8 hours, half a day faster than expected. As Gil starts sending soldiers, Quetz stops him and says she'll take care of the chaos tide with the Piedra Del Sol (thanks for not smashing it last time BTW) (also they still refer to this plancha thing you did on her, last time I thought it was Taiga messing up some other word, is that a Lucha Libre thing maybe, the flying body attack ?).
Outside of Uruk, you see Gil atop the ziggurat making a speech to everyone still in the city. All 300 of them. Mashu, Ishtar, Roman are all in awe of the king, yadda yadda.

Lahmus are ganging up on Gudao, but the last few soldiers from Girsu shoot them out to save you and draw them down, Taiga jumps to protect them. Tiamat is picking up speed, threatening to crash through the fang of Napishtim so the tide can reach Uruk. You get to Tiamat just in time, and fucking Ushi comes out again, rejoicing about all the humans she killed and about destroying Uruk with mother (this is getting old fast). (oh fuck that Ushi fight)
While Ushi spouts some more crap about humans and lahmus being no different and humans needing to all die, Benkei interrupts, covered in wounds. Ushi and Benkei die in a shish kebab hug (Benkei uses his 500 Arhats NP to completely destroy the unkillable Ushi and they both fully vanish). When will you two understand that nobody cares about you ?

Quetz finally flies up, calls out to Tiamat in mid-air about how she's sad that Tiamat decided to hit the reset button on the world, but sorry not sorry this is the world of humans now, there's no place for someone who would eat their children just out of hatred. She calls out the Sun, wind, lightning, the Morning Star, fires her Piedra Del Sol NP, and... the sea disappears. Quetz is 100 above Tiamat's head, a solar wind is coming, Ishtar tells Mashu to take care of defending everyone. Ishtar realizes that if Quetz had used that on Uruk it would have been over in a blink since day one. The chaos tide comes back, Quetz is hit by a missile-like projectile, she starts saying she's hearing the ten-count, but has a vision of you and decides that this can't stop the sun. Tiamat is still kicking up, Quetz rejoins you, Ishtar says you can't just blow away the sea since it comes from Tiamat herself (so you have to actually push back Tiamat, not just wipe the sea). Quetz tells Ishtar that it turns out Tiamat can fly. Ishtar is shocked because Tiamat is a goddess of the land, she shouldn't be able to reach the heavens. Quetz kisses you, and despite being pretty wounded, she says she's a bird of fire, she can still fly.
She asks Ishtar to take her up into the sky again. "So there is no weapon in the world of Mesopotamia that can wound you, is what I said earlier. But my body is a weapon not from this world ! What's a god of Mesopotamia to me ? Have a taste of Xibalba, the underworld of South America ! Let my body turn into a flaming rock, a comet that kills the land ! Let's go - Ultimo Tope Patada ! Burn, Xiu Coatl !"

... It seems Quetz has disappeared into the sea with little to no effect, and the chaos tide is returning to Napishtim's fang - it smashes through it. Tiamat starts flying up, but a whole bunch of black snakes come out and grab her - Ishtar is surprised that mother is losing in pure strength. Gorgon is here and lends you a hand.
(god fucking damn it the lahmus really hate Cu Alter wiping out his dodges and guts)
Gorgon mentions that without her real body, she can't do that much, but she says she'll break Tiamat's wings and you should run back to Uruk. You leave, Gorgon tell Tiamat she didn't have you run to save you, but because she didn't want you to see her in her monster body.
Gil asks Eresh how things are going - not well. Fine, Gil will handle it.

... About two hours for this chapter. 21 seems to be the final one with a Grail at the end (I though I read it was 22 ?). Maybe later tonight.
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.
Last Edit: December 18, 2016, 08:25:02 pm by Byakko
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#2223  December 18, 2016, 08:36:41 pm
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It's 22 chapters, though the last one is story only and that's it. Chapter 21 is the one in which you fight the final boss.
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#2224  December 19, 2016, 12:09:42 am
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You're back in Uruk, the city's in flame, there's only 8 people alive. Mashu wonders if Tiamat hates them that much, Gil says who knows, she might not even have a will of her own. She's just here to destroy this world. The only way she'll stop is when ancient Mesopotamia is finished. Tiamat gets here, Ishtar says it's okay as long as Gudao is following, Gil for some reason says "he's not the one following, I'm following him ! Uh, that's not right... Never mind") Gil fires his Dingir even without any soldier left manning the 360 cannons, with just his own mana (and lapis lazuli, in the style of Rin). Tiamat fires something from her eye at you, you think you're dead but Gil blocks it for you (he gets hit in the chest right over his heart), and makes sure you're okay ("never mind me, what about you ! You're fine ? You're fine ! Good !" he's been kinda gushing all over you for a while...) then returns to firing Dingir. Fucking lahmus are coming again so let's run. Tiamat hits the ziggurat, you and Mashu lose consciousness. Ishtar compares what just happened to Gugalanna, and just before she rushes at you, Kingu joins you and gets his revenge on the lahmus. the lahmus are shocked that Kingu is joining the humans (really ?), Kingu says he's just the one and only member of the new mankind - but he remembers that he wanted to meet Gil, and talk to him like a friend about the memories that were still in this body. That was Enkidu's wish, not his, and he just wants to live in this world. Tiamat calls for him, but he says bye mom, you chose the wrong kids. Anyway, he remembers what this body has to do : be the chain of heaven.
Tiamat is caught in the chain, breaks it (I guess bye Kingu, you held her for an hour), and Eresh calls Gil saying Uruk is finally connected to the underworld. Ishtar just has to open a hole. Gil reminds you about the fated fall of Uruk, he talks about the fall of the fifth king (him), but the sixth can still follow. He thanks you for letting him have this end, but eventually, as Tiamat gets too close, Ishtar fires her NP at the base of the ziggurat. Map now shows a big hole - to the underworld.
As you fal, Ereshkigal gives you protection from the underworld (so you at least don't die from the fall, it's 2000m high). You're pretty sure Gil is dead (again). Eresh sends all her spirits on Tiamat. Doesn't work, the chaos tide is moving into the underworld.  Roman says she's... growing to Jurassic proportions ? That's not divinity anymore. This is the true form of Beast II.
Lahmus are starting to pour into the underworld. Taiga saves Eresh (is it a bird ? Is it a balloon ? No ! I'm the tiger that arrived in the underworld, people call me Jaguar Maaaaan !) (they've done that "is it a bird, is it a plane" joke a couple times but changing "plane" for something else) Taiga tells Eresh to do what she does best because Tiamat is at her weakest right now, or else the chaos tide will cover the world in a day. Right now, nothing else should count as alive. ... Suddenly, flowers start covering the ground, replacing the chaos tide. It's Merlin, taking the life from the sea and making it bloom. He wasn't summoned a second time, this is the real Merlin, who came running straight from Avalon. He says Tiamat still doesn't know fear, she doesn't know death yet - that is, "him". Who's calling "him" ? Not Gil, not Solomon's Grail, but you. Look up, primordial sea, your god of death has arrived. "Without death, there is no life, and with death, you can live." King Hassan, the old man of the mountain (Ziusudra), who drops down and deprives the heavenly decree of Tiamat's wings. Roman says her pattern is changing, and with her wings lost, she has acquired a concept of "death". She's now just like a Servant, which means you can win. Da Vinci says the head is its weak point. The lahmus are scared now, trying to scale the wall back up to the surface. Get these fuckers ! (Eresh is star struck at all the pretty flowers in her underworld)
Roman says the lahmus are still evolving and are now close to the demon pillars. Taiga goes down, Hassan comes up and makes a contract with you.
(that's the infamously long fight now, isn't it...) (hm, I think the enemies have a lower resistance to instant death than usual, Arjuna can IK them with Pashupata a lot more easily...)

you make it to the head, Tiamat is 300 meters away from the surface but it won't take long with this size. You're damaging her, but you won't be able to stop her fast enough - Merlin even asks for Cath Palug's help. Cath Palug hits Merlin.
"What's that ? You think you lack firepower ? Okay, let me give you a hand." Archer Gil says Uruk is angry at her, but doesn't hate her. But children have to let go of their mother eventually. Final fight is titled "childhood's end".
... Done. If the last chapter is all story, and it's going to be way too long again, you know what, I'll do that tomorrow.
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.
Last Edit: December 19, 2016, 12:53:54 am by Byakko
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#2225  December 19, 2016, 01:52:44 am
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A soldier says Tiamat is going to reach Uruk in 8 hours, half a day faster than expected. As Gil starts sending soldiers, Quetz stops him and says she'll take care of the chaos tide with the Piedra Del Sol (thanks for not smashing it last time BTW) (also they still refer to this plancha thing you did on her, last time I thought it was Taiga messing up some other word, is that a Lucha Libre thing maybe, the flying body attack ?).

yep, plancha is a lucha libre move, simialr to haggar's down +attack while jumping in ff1, zangief has a  similar move , though while they do it from a normal jump  in capcom's games, in lucha libre it is done by jumping form the ropes and it's a pretty generic move in mexican lucha libre.
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#2226  December 19, 2016, 01:54:12 pm
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Ah, I see. Yeah, that's the one then.

Merlin mentions that he brought Excalibur because whacking fools with it was just faster than his magecraft.
Oh hey, Quetz is back. Merlin runs, Quetz chases after him and grabs him with a Cobra Twist (even though he's an incubus, it still hurts). Taiga says she's the one who saved Quetz, catching the space debris that she was (despite how burning hot she was), brought her to the jungle to recover, then came back to jump in the hole. Taiga starts vanishing Servant style, she wonders if she's finally turning into a divine spirit. Quetz confirms that the summoning of divine spirits was only possible because of Tiamat - and now that she's gone, they're going too.
Ishtar says she didn't come from the Grail so she'll remain in this world for the end of the first dynasty of Uruk. As for Ereshkigal, apparently she gave you her powers for the last couple of fights (Merlin noticed something but didn't say it), flashback to Ishtar trying to talk her out of disappearing, but Eresh seems fine with it because you'll remember her. Flashback end, Ishtar just says Eresh is resting in the underworld.
Gil says he didn't have a body anymore, and he showed his Archer form for Ereshkigal since she never saw him like that. No body => he disappears. He asks you one last time how was Uruk, you say it was fun, that's all he wanted - let travelers leave with a smile. He also tosses you the remaining Grail to have a drink. What ? You don't drink alcohol ? Well just keep it as a cup anyway !
Merlin's turn, you ask again why he helped you, he says he's a fan. He can only watch - he doesn't like humans, but he likes the story they paint. He doesn't care about the artist even if he likes the painting, but you're different - you travel from book to book. You have a different approach from him, you live in each story and bring a better selvation and end. When the Grand Order is over, he alone will remember it. So he wanted to help. Anyway, Star-watchers of Chaldea, who will not remain in anyone's memory, all the stars have risen, now you'll fight "that" evil.

Back at Chaldea, an alarm sounds, you're -4368 hours away from the initially predicted end of the world in 2016 (so you're past it by 182 days), and you're xxx hours away from December 31, and you're being hacked from outside. You're getting connected to the singularity of Solomon. Time to find out the true nature of Solomon's bands of light, and go to his time temple.
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.
Last Edit: January 03, 2017, 06:55:44 pm by Byakko
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#2228  December 20, 2016, 03:44:46 pm
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Thanks :)

Hmm... There's a thread on Reddit about Siduri, talking about the possibility that we killed her, mentioning the white flag discussion.
When you get to Gilgamesh the first time and Ishtar crashes in, she mentions that if Gil dies, she'd definitely come to save Uruk so be sure to prepare a white flag. Siduri doesn't understand, and a little bit later, there's an option to tell her it means to surrender. She thinks that Ishtar must somehow know that custom from your country (it's obviously thanks to Rin's memories), but I don't remember anything about raising hands.
Then later on, when you get to Eridu and lahmus are slaughtering people for fun, there's the one lahmu that doesn't do anything but wave its hands then runs away, and in the dialog you think he was doing that threateningly. That also ties to the scene immediately after that where the lahmus don't even care about defending themselves from your attack, they just enjoy the other humans killing each other.

There's the amino-geis discussion when Roman or someone else explains that whoever touches that mud gets corrupted with a cellular coercion (and we also know that Gorgon recycled humans into her tens of thousands of beasts), but we've seen that there's at least one lahmu that recovered their human memory, saving Kingu and talking about the memories of Enkidu and everyone in Uruk grieved for him. They're saying that it was Siduri.

I figured that there were "some" lahmus that somehow managed to resist that impulse and recovered their memories. But it didn't seem to me that it was definitely the same one that ran away from you, I figured there were just a few here and there (and IMO it would make it more relevant if it was just a random former citizen of Uruk wanting to save Enkidu). I don't even think that the comment about this particular lahmu having been brought in the day before means it has to be Siduri, who recently disappeared too, considering that if it's possible for one to bypass the amino geis, maybe there's more.

So... Unless there really is a dialog with Siduri about raising your hands to surrender that I missed, I'm not too convinced that this is one specific lahmu that runs away from you then the same one saves Kingu, and it's really Siduri ? I felt that it meant there were potentially more humans-turned-lahmu that retrieved their memories, and a random citizen would still remember the good effect Enkidu had on Gilgamesh and decided to save Kingu for that. I mean, it's possible that it was all her, but...
If I struggled to the end of my determination, to the end of my way of life with my followers, if the result is ruin, then this ruin is inevitable. Grieve. Shed tears. But you cannot regret.
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CP collab when?
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#2230  December 20, 2016, 04:56:43 pm
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Oh yeah, I also found this video a long time ago. More than a collab, doing a Carnival Phantasm for these series seems more reasonable since there's plenty of cast to make it interesting.
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#2231  December 22, 2016, 01:57:19 pm
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Solomon time.
Seems to be a flashback to the Fuyuki war that went fucked up.
Marisbiri (or however the fuck you're supposed to spell Olga's dad's name) "We've got work, Caster. The 6 other Masters have been removed. We've won the Grail War. I just need you to commit suicide through this command seal to complete the ceremony. [then some exposition about the Grail War, the 7 Servants, and the Third Magic that we already know since FSN/FZ, resurrection, end all pain...]" (so at least this version was still about the Third Magic...)
"... No, just kidding. I'm joking, Caster. Sorry, I'm just being funny. You helped me but I've no intention to give you the Grail. Or use my Command Seals. It won't work on you anyway. I won't start up the Greater Grail. I don't care about the Third Magic. I have to reach the Root with the specific approach of our Animusphere that rules over the planetary sins" (what ? Could be getting that wrong, that's weird) 'I don't care about the theories that some other mage left over. The miracle proposed by the Einsberns... I never cared for that fairytale of materialization of the soul for the growth of humanity."
(end of Maris' talk, this seems to go to narration mode, but we don't know who's talking - it seems to be Solomon)
This was the first and last time Maris made a joke. So I asked, "then what ?"
M "I just want the Grail as a wish granting device, for an obvious reason - to perfect Chaldeas. The observatory right now is incomplete." Then he talks about his sponsors, how they made a model of the Earth, but it's nowhere close to the real thing. (he's still responding to "Caster" so the narrator should be Solomon) Something like Chaldeas is like the Grail that needs Servants to work, but it would need the equivalent of food for a whole country. ... I think he's namedropping someone whom he bought something from next. He wants wealth like ordinary people. (narrator again) He had a goal, but he didn't want to achieve it through other people's means - he only needed time and wealth (to realize it himself) because he didn't have much time. That's why he entered the Fuyuki War.
He keeps talking about other stuff (I'm not sure I get half of it) then wonders "why the Age of Gods stopped. Why didn't the humanity foundation stabilize after the AD era. If we can complete reishift, we can resolve that mystery."
They keep talking a bit then Maris asks Solomon what he'll do with the Grail, what he'll wish for. Second life ? Solomon never even thought about his wish. Someone interrupts "No, I have a wish. I can ask for anything, right, Marisbiri ?" (it doesn't seem to be the same person speaking since it says "???" yet Maris still seems to be talking to the same person... something like the Solomon we know taking over the "Caster" of that time ?)
Maris calls his Caster "Solomon, king of magic", his only friend/ally. The narrator says he remembers smiling after that, and then he blacked out.

Someone in the staff wakes up Roman (.... was that his dream just now then... ?) and they prepare for the final singularity. He reminisces the 10 years since Chaldea was set up, Fou / Cath Palug comes in, Roman says Fou would only show himself to Mashu until Gudao arrived, what changed ? I thought you were like Merlin, the kind of creature that only saw humans as a source of food. Fou responds "fou fou fou" but Roman can't understand him. Roman keeps his one-side conversation going, like "so why did I join Chaldea ? What was I doing before Chaldea ? I just can't explain it. I arrived like, 'uh, maybe I should try and protect humanity somehow ?' But you ask, how come I'm at the top of my field at such a young age ?" (it's just studying hard) He says back then, he somehow felt that humanity was reaching its end. Like waking up from a bad dream (his feeling, that is). He was sure he was right, but couldn't do much about it, he was afraid and thought "I should do something" so he did his best for 10 years. But he's reaching the end, and after this battle, his anxiety will be gone. He found out Solomon's true identity, Kingu was a good sample case (??) he thought the Solomon in London was a fake, but that didn't fit. Heroic Spirits come in various shape. One HS can be summoned as Saber or Lancer. Even if we think of a Solomon that was like in a different class than the one from legends, they're now facing the real one, king Solomon, the ancestor of magecraft.

... Sooooo was Roman the Solomon that was summoned as a Caster by Maris, and the Solomon we know took over him at the end ?

Mashu's dream now.
People from some random village greeting her (by name). Oh you don't need that big shield, there's no danger around. No strife, no one to hate, nothing to fear. We're been released from fear by death. There's no limit to life, no end to the world, tomorrow never ends. We'll go on forever.
Mashu interrupts, telling Solomon this vision you're showing me, I can only fear it.
Solomon asks her why she's afraid of being released from the fear of death. This is the promise of a day that'll go on forever, no tomorrow to fear. That should be salvation - just to keep living.
Nope, sorry, I don't know why you're showing up in front of me but I know you're trying to scare me. This is painful, but what you're doing isn't right. Solomon says Mashu's conclusion should have value for him so he'll listen. Mashu says he grieved the end of life, and preached how wonderful eternity was, but she can't understand this sadness, why eternity is so good. Death comes to every living thing, losing your life is something that should be obvious. Thinking there's no sadness if there's no end - she doesn't think eternal life is a blessing. The people in this town, their smile are different. A smile is for when you get over sadness. Because you know your time is limited. In this world, the people are smiling because there's no fear. This isn't a smile, that's just moving flesh. There's no one who just lives because death is fearsome. We just live because we want to live. We run now in eagerness because we're looking forward to tomorrow. It's not a journey to avoid death, it's a journey to go past death. Don't deny the wish of those who want to live.
Solomon says he wondered why fight if we know it's going to end. Why cling to life if we know there's no salvation in our future.
He heard something about us/Mashu from Demon God Flauros - he was wondering how a short life built by humans would live. That was an interesting sample case. But you're going to die. Chaldea will die like trash. (wow fuck you dude)
You who cling to life, brave fighters who have passed many lives and deaths, no one will recognize you. ... That makes me sad. You're just an average person.

(oh god damn this is so long, again)
Da Vinci does the morning call for the last order. She just wants to remind you that Mashu's body is reaching its limit, in all regards (battle and life). Roman and Mashu don't want to talk about it, but Da Vinci does. You're sure Mashu already knows.
You talk to Mashu, you skirt around the subject, Fou interrupts and stares at you. Never mind... You suggest Mashu sits this one out, of course she says no. She'll fight with you, regardless of how much time she has left. She doesn't think her life is sad, she's happy that she could see the world outside thanks to you. She doesn't actually know the sadness of living (the hardships of life I guess), she can't understand the sufferings Solomon mentioned. But she knows the joys of living. You, Roman, and everyone at Chaldea taught her. So let her stick around.

Briefing, Da Vinci explains that this singularity is a bit different, the battles are simple but there are 3 objectives. First, castle offense. Second, crush Solomon. Third, make it out alive (uuuuh so the usual ?) This will be a conceptual space, like the miniature model of the Earth that Chaldea has. It will be only you (and the enemy I suppose), nothing else in that universe. Aim for Solomon's throne, and wreck everything. (... okay I'm skipping these explanations it's boring and pointless)
To return, once the singularity collapses, you'll have to run this time, unlike before.
You ask about that "only one lifeform" - remember the Fuyuki War, there was one body of a mage that was made to support the Great Grail. Genius among geniuses. That body is like a small universe. The same way, this singularity is a small universe supported by the magic circuits of one mage, like a Reality Marble. That's the true identity of Solomon, why you weren't allowed to call his name. Solomon........ is a Reality Marble, this time temple thing mentioned a couple times before. (whaaaaat)

First node of the map.
Solomon narrating, about his clairvoyance, seeing the deaths that one can't stand to see, hearing the cries that one can't stand to hear, with no way to close his eye or ear. He hates it, and he wants to restart everything, start over with a perfect shape. Burn every existence on this planet. Then it says the same things as the tablet of destiny, build temples, raise the band of light, all time and effort to destroy and forget humanity (it wasn't "destroy/forget" humanity last time, right ?) This is the throne of Solomon, our hope. (so the tablets weren't about saving humanity, it was about restarting it by destroying it... ?)
Oh, Ref is back. Roman asks since when he was with Solomon, considering Ref was there before Roman. Well yeah, he's been with Solomon for 3000 years !

Shit's hitting the fan, you beat him but he comes back, it's not even resurrection, it's just a new one. Roman and Da Vinci say the Demon Gods are invading Chaldea, you lose contact, Flauros attacks you while laughing, black out. Someone picks you back up, praising your battles and your infinite possibilities up to now in the face of countless enemies etc., calls you Master, starts wiping the Demon Gods. Roman confirms 8 are gone, good job Da Vinci. Uh no, that wasn't me... "We are those who walked the stars, carving our epitath in the planet. A summoning circle is appearing, and 10, 20, 30 Saint Graphs are coming out by themselves. The Demon Gods are mocking the Servants that can never beat them - wait, we've lost the first 8 pillars... Pillars 26 to 33, also gone...
Mysterious Servant voice keeps talking "sure, we're selfish. But our faith in ourselves doesn't falter. And there are people who believed in us. People who believed we were heroes through many wars.
Jeanne appears, gathering heroes under her banner like shooting stars. Roman "I can't explain it :D it's outside of space and time soooo a path was available to them ? Whatever, I don't know ! Al the Servants you've met thought they should give you a hand."

I started this at 100% battery and now I'm running low, gotta recharge. This is still way too long. Later.

Congrats ! Hope you have enough to level him.
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#2233  December 22, 2016, 04:15:21 pm
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Okay so, trying to make a bit of sense out of this...

Between Ref's exposition and the tablet of destiny, the group of people who were mad at the king who wouldn't fix human suffering were the bad guys who created a Reality Marble, the ultimate serial killer of human history, which is the Solomon we've seen in London. They want to reboot human history into a perfect form (we've seen how shitty the lahmus turned out to be though so fuck that) that doesn't die, therefore doesn't suffer (as "Solomon" says to Mashu in her dream). They're the ones who planned the rings in the sky, the time temple, and using the name of Solomon.

Between the prologue apparently being Roman's dream (not confirmed but it's set up to make us think that), Roman's comment about the summoned Servant being only an aspect of the original and possibly not recognizing the real deal, tied to him refusing to admit that the big bad was "Solomon" back in London, and then Roman totally avoiding to talk about how he was before Fuyuki, and his apparent initial apathy possibly resembling that of the king mentioned in the Tablet of Destiny (which turns out to not be the bad guy, that's the ones that were angry at him), this strongly suggests that Roman was the Caster Solomon summoned by Maris, and he didn't admit that the Solomon of London bore his name, since that was not really him but a Reality Marble (with no personality of his own, as Holmes mentions in Camelot).

That's.... weird, I'm not sure how I feel about that considering that Roman has been presented as the every day man since day one just like you - unless it's going to show that Solomon really was an average guy who couldn't do much beside handling his own kingdom and then gave up. This is all to be confirmed, but the way it's presented, it seems to want you to think that at this point.

Oh, speaking about "what the game wants you to think", back on Siduri... Yeah, there's no direct evidence and there are things that at the moment make you think otherwise (the lahmu that doesn't fight you can't talk, immediately followed by a proof that lahmus don't even bother defending themselves and just kill, the lahmu that saves Kingu can talk), but looking at it from above, as a whole, the succession of events of Gil telling you Siduri was taken > a lahmu recovering their human mind > hear of Siduri once more but then never again, overall, that seems to hint that this lahmu that didn't fight you is the same that saved Kingu and died, and it was Siduri.
That's... that's kind of shitty. Not just because you basically beat her to near death, but because before that, it was a hint that more humans might recover their mind (that never happened afterward), of how the lahmus could evolve (they never did), of how much the people of Uruk as a whole loved Enkidu etc.
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#2234  December 22, 2016, 06:20:51 pm
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Oh wow, at the rate this is going, I wouldn't be surprised if Salmon dies tomorrow late night. I still can't play, damn!
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#2235  December 22, 2016, 08:50:12 pm
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That's.... weird, I'm not sure how I feel about that considering that Roman has been presented as the every day man since day one just like you - unless it's going to show that Solomon really was an average guy who couldn't do much beside handling his own kingdom and then gave up. This is all to be confirmed, but the way it's presented, it seems to want you to think that at this point.



that's how solomon is/was in the bible, then god grants him a wish (lol) and he chooses wisdom.


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it seems like this game won't still get into the grand servants that will save the world I guess.
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#2236  December 22, 2016, 08:59:34 pm
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that's how solomon is/was in the bible, then god grants him a wish (lol) and he chooses wisdom.
lol seriously ? It sounds like the flashback is almost a word-by-word retelling of that (except he should already have his almighty Clairvoyance at that point).
it seems like this game won't still get into the grand servants that will save the world I guess.
Well... Babylonia was a huge info dump on Tiamat and the Beasts, the evils that humanity must defeat, and the very system from which the Servant summoning was copied, so at least it's opening the door big time for something else ? But yeah, after a couple Grand Caster candidates and a Grand Assassin, and the original datamine of a Grand Saber voiced by Arturia again, plus all the hints about planetary defense weapon Excalibur (which is turning out to be nothing but Extella wank), it's kind of a massive bummer. Season 2 maybe ? Because if not, then this was all a giant promotion for Extella, which is a bit shitty for all the effort that both they themselves as well as all the players poured into this. I'd start wishing for an adaptation of season 1 and a continuation on an actual console (or PC, whatever), but I know that would just take 5 more years.

Oh yeah, I was also thinking about the boss raid system, and I found it amusing that all the players rushing the raid were kinda like the dozens of Servants jumping in to help you against the Demon Gods. We're the Heroic Spirits here.
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Last Edit: December 22, 2016, 09:46:12 pm by Byakko
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#2237  December 22, 2016, 09:13:24 pm
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Got Loli Mesuda, completing that way all loli Medusa family party, and second copy of Rama, which is probably the best thing of the four 10-rolls I did. Too bad I didn't get Merlin, but I can't really complain much when I got Quetzalcoal before.

So, time for me to join the raid guys! Hope you have your support Servants ready!

Edit: Byakko, put Hercazerk in your Berserker slot, as support Servants also count with the bond buff.
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#2238  December 22, 2016, 09:45:57 pm
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lol, the dialog at the start of each node is pretty dull, but in the London one, Kintoki arrives in his Berserker form and goes HENSHIN into his Rider form. Not bad.
(basically it's nothing more than the chief demon god of that node calling forth 9 Demon Gods and the Seravnts just pretty much reintroducing their character, so nothing new)
oh hey... The Babylonia one has Enkidu, not Kingu. What. Ishtar calls him like that and he clearly has a different personality than in the chapter - "oh sorry, I didn't mean to shoot at you, so it's true that you have a human body right now, Ishtar ?" Even Gorgon goes "Kin... Enkidu and Ishtar yadda yadda".
Ushi goes "I understand it feels weird, but forgive me. This is totally normal. I'm not evil. That wasn't me. I don't remember anything from Uruk~" (still the loser gang and no Caster Gil or Tomoe, fuck you guys seriously)

Aw yeah, my Hercazerk bond 9 (90% bonus damage) deals 420k damage with a Nine Lives Buster Brave Chain and a bit of extra Charisma. I think I'll just stick with maxed Kaleido on Herk, some other NP up on Cu Alter and, I don't know, Quetz for her targetable Buster up and demolish all the pillars in two or three turns.
Edit: Byakko, put Hercazerk in your Berserker slot, as support Servants also count with the bond buff.
Oh wow, seriously ? I didn't expect that. what a shame we can't see it in the support selection, then !
Done, but my other slots have a pretty bad lineup in term of bond boost... :P Stick with that Herk and his lv10 Bravery.

edit - the debuffs given by the bosses are different for everyone, the Lancer one gave me a Quick debuff for the support Okita I picked, asshole.
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#2239  December 22, 2016, 09:48:58 pm
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Aw yeah, my Hercazerk bond 9 (90% bonus damage) deals 420k damage with a Nine Lives Buster Brave Chain and a bit of extra Charisma. I think I'll just stick with maxed Kaleido on Herk, some other NP up on Cu Alter and, I don't know, Quetz for her targetable Buster up and demolish all the pillars in two or three turns.
All but the Caster Pillar can apply buster down to your front liners, so you might want a servant with debuff removal instead of Quetzal.