KatsupSpecial said, August 14, 2021, 09:41:36 pm

My laptop went into a diabetic coma (motherboard failure from too much mugen stuff) and it's getting fixed right now, so to be truthful with all of you... I haven't had mugen since 2 weeks ago, AND I have to re-download 1,265 normal characters, about 100 broken characters, 60 stages or more between those two screenpacks, and a lot of other shit that just stretches this sentence out longer than it needs to be. No, I have not been okay since that happened.

Uh, motherboards don't fail just cause of too much Mugen stuff. If there's no issues with the hard drive itself you won't need to redownload all that stuff.

May I suggest a thumb drive?

I was around your age when I started in MUGEN. About 20 years ago, in the DOS era. People were doomsaying and ranting back then, too; heck, I was one of them.

And... The community has grown and shrunk over the years, many times. People got offended and left (and usually returned, kinda), forum wars have happened. Some people were banned over serious stuff, but honestly hardly a significant portion. Tons of people just lost interest, as is natural with any hobby.

This, too, will pass. Don't worry, kid. You want good advice? Put that energy to learn how to code, how to sprite, how to create better stuff.

Because, you know what really remains? The good stuff; awesome creations. Good tutorials. Fun chars. Stages that make you go "whoa, that looks great".

Enjoy, take it easy. This is a game engine forum.

I disagree with a few of your opinions but absolutely admire your passion its greatly misding nowadays. I think there is alot of truth in this thread its just got a lot of elitist language.

I think cb creators are more about the characters and adding elements than straight gameplay. Most of those guys played msh or mvc and were inspired to make their fav guy. Most of them are not coders by nature and certainly are not fgc buffs who study frame data amd char types. They are judt creative nerds so imo thats why both parties struggle to respect each other in one space. Dont get me wrong the mmv crew are very much snowflakes to the point its painful but The cb guys are alot more sensitive but they are also doing alot more spritework and putting love into something. Here its already established sprites that you are just coding (mostly i know there are alot of sprite artists here as well). In a perfect world the mmv guys sprite and the mfg guys code you have perfect fun chars for everybody but such is not the case


Also you went crazy hard on magus amd making money. Listen the best coders and spriters on this site chsrge money for their services if doing something they dont wanna do. Infinite will code the fuck outta any garbage on mmv and make it brilliant but it will cost cuz he isnt doing it for himself. There is a weird stigma tjat he is the cb anti christ because he wants to make money for his work. News flash bro EVERYBODY does. Go to the spriters bounty thread aint none of those guys drawing shit for the love of mugen community lol

And to keep on with your original request

The question by candido (very recent but love em)

Darkflare said, August 13, 2021, 04:34:05 am

If his profile is accurate, I don't think a 16 year old will be forking over any money unless he's rich.

KatsupSpecial said, August 13, 2021, 04:40:27 am

Ooh... that would be nice... uh, I don't know if you could tell but, I'm 16.

So uhh... I don't exactly have a bank account to get stuff done with, if you know what I mean. Add that to the list of reasons why I haven't made a character yet. :/

Ah, apologies on that front -- regardless, there's plenty of comic book chars by him that are publicly available that you can mess around with. Might I recommend his recently released Carnage?

Here's the thing. I like comicbooks. I like comic characters. I like fighting game with comic characters.


Threads like this which focus on praising mugen comic book characters are always gonna be filled with backlash because the reality is that 90 percent of comic book characters in mugen are pretty bad. I've even made some and they are not good by today's standards to be quite honest.


And I'm not gonna lie either, over 10 years later I'm starting to see the cracks in loganir (and verz's) game play design. Pretty flashy stuff but overly bloated as well in some aspects. I like the two and have even spoken to them in the past, but I really wouldn't put them up on some godlike pedestal as you kind of are doing.


I'm not saying it's bad to want to celebrate comic book characters but you really should understand there's gonna be alot of opinions that are on the opposite end of that spectrum if you want to have a fair discussion.

If I may suggest, you could always commission author Kenshiro99 to code up a comic book character for you, he's incredibly top tier in dishing out MVC style goodness. If you'd be willing to fork over some dough, I'm certain he'd give you something quality you'd be looking for.

KatsupSpecial said, August 13, 2021, 03:07:03 am

You're telling me I wasted 3 hours of my life pouring my frustrations out for the world to see, just to be told my entire post is completely worthless considering I'd just be talking to a concrete wall that has no intention of making positive change in this god-forsaken black hole of a community?

I really should just shut the fuck up and let a community die out while it's ahead....

That's a pretty exaggerated type of thinking.

When it comes to Comic Book characters, you don't have a lot of good options. You basically have to rely on people to make conversions from the CB fighting games. In fact, of all the characters you listed, I would only agree with None's Thanos as a good character. There are some good custom made ones but they're very rare.

But when it comes to authors that exclusively do CB characters, they're all bad for the reasons I already listed.

087-B said, August 13, 2021, 04:24:23 am

If I may suggest, you could always commission author Kenshiro99 to code up a comic book character for you, he's incredibly top tier in dishing out MVC style goodness. If you'd be willing to fork over some dough, I'm certain he'd give you something quality you'd be looking for.

If his profile is accurate, I don't think a 16 year old will be forking over any money unless he's rich.

KatsupSpecial said, August 13, 2021, 03:41:07 am

Whining, huh? If I was whining, I wouldn't have been self-aware. I knew damn well I was gonna have to be humble so I didn't get banned.

Don't worry, this isn't enough for a ban, and I understand you too, sometimes I feel the same about certain stuff on MUGEN, but as I said before, the best way to change that is you being the change. I hope you check out the authors list I gave you and maybe you get inspired to create your own chars and try to change the overview

There're good comic book chars indeed... but like 1-2 of 10 comic book chars out there are good (from original sources than adapted from Marvel vs. games). For me, most of CB chars are good sprite edits than good characters, especially when they use the MvC2 templates, which are mostly terrible. So yeah, the stigma is there actually...

Now, if you want to look actual creators who make good CB chars, I got some names for you: O Ilusionista (one of the few elder ones who's still active), the guys from Vs. Style Debuts, Nexus Games, Infinite, lui, JJkoolaid, MGMURROW (another old one who's still active), Mr. Giang (retired months ago)... check out their creations if you want good and actual CB chars

yeah, there's still some good comic book characters, try them out will you? instead of whining about that comic book nonsense.

Yeah, what Mushy and 087-B (I forgot to add you in my list, sorry) said. OK, there're fugdly CB chars, but you don't just whine like a little girl and do something to the respect. About Chuchoryu, I'm very tempted to take one of his chars and strip off the sprites from SFF and make something new from scratch (my no.1 choice is Juri Han BTW), and maybe you could make the same: learn how to code, pick up some CB char you like that has bad code and remake it your way. it's a better contribution than crying about why CB chars are bad *MIC DROP*

087-B said, August 13, 2021, 03:22:25 am

Best of luck.

EDIT: About self-promotion, years ago I patched Seth Zankuten's Superboy and Ex-Inferis' Bane (first version) to make them good (or at least decent) CB chars, if you got them, give them a try

Like I said, been here for over a decade. The only time I will have hope is if the character was made by a well established author. And more often than not they don't even focus on Comic Book characters anyway.

Well for starters, all those creations and authors you mentioned weren't that good to begin with. The whole stigma against comic book characters in Mugen exists for a reason.

From my observations, there's a simple explanation for this. The truth is that Comic Book authors simply don't care about the gameplay. Rather instead, their intention is to make the character as "faithfully" as possible by cramming as many references to comics as they can. That's why we end up with a character having two projectile supers where one of them is a beam and the other is a bunch of missiles and they both serve the same purpose as a super, frame data that is either super advantageous or disadvantageous without a good reason for being so, cinematic supers that literally take a minute because gotta cram a bunch of things into it(I'M LOOKING AT YOU, LOGANIR), people asking why a big guy that can do a lot of damage like Juggernaut isn't also fast and nimble when he wasn't slow in the comics, thinking that reverse damage scaling is a good idea because gotta reward long combos with damage, Spider-man being able to make a deal with Mephisto to restart the round, etc.

Gameplay is an afterthought to these guys, that's why when you give feedback on it they make excuses as to why they insist on keeping it as is. In fact, authors have ran off to MMV specifically to avoid receiving feedback.


tl;dr Mugen Comic Book Authors don't care about how a Fighting Game properly plays and just want to make Comic Book characters with a bunch of references to them.