The road to Mugen HR or whatever - also gameplay changes

[Hero]

Hi. 


I`m "transforming" my chars from WinMugen to the new one. Indeed, Ken and Kyo are done by now. But I need some help with that.

1.- Win quotes? How many? Okay, i can took them from the games, but some originality works too.

2.-  Against what characters? For example, the Ken vs Dan rivality (comic gag IMO) is still alive? Dan is Ken challenger in SFZ2, so, can have a special winquote against Dan?

Any other sugestion will be apreciated. Thanks.


EDIT: Will be 2 versions of the char, Win version and HR version, dont worry if u use only Winmugen.

[Starlogical]

Hi. 


I`m "transforming" my chars from WinMugen to the new one. Indeed, Ken and Kyo are done by now. But I need some help with that.

1.- Win quotes? How many? Okay, i can took them from the games, but some originality works too.
POTS Ryu has 24 Winquotes.
Some of them are generic quotes defining the character, and some are specific quotes. Like Ryu vs any Ken.
And some of them belong to Evil Ryu.
2.-  Against what characters? For example, the Ken vs Dan rivality (comic gag IMO) is still alive? Dan is Ken challenger in SFZ2, so, can have a special winquote against Dan?
You can have any special winquotes against any character you want.
Any other sugestion will be apreciated. Thanks.


EDIT: Will be 2 versions of the char, Win version and HR version, dont worry if u use only Winmugen.

Haha.
I liked your Kyo and Iori.
I have yet to touch your Athena though due to some issues I've read up on.

You should also take advantage of the AI level triggers.

[Duos.act]

You can have around 70 winquotes max IIRC.

Anyway here are some suggestions for character specific winquotes.

FOR KEN
-Ryu
-Dan
-Evil Ryu
-Karin
-Terry

FOR VIOLENT KEN
-Ryu
-Bison

FOR KYO
-Iori
-K'
-Ryu maybe
-Kusanagi

FOR IORI
-Kyo
-Kusanagi
-Vice
-Akuma perhaps?

FOR ATHENA
-Terry (There's a running gag that Athena dislikes him for taking her place as the SNK mascot)
-Kyo?
-Ingrid

[Starlogical]

There should be an Athena winquote against Sonson seeing as how the games Psycho Soldier and Sonson are identical.

Or rather PS is a clone of SS.

That's right.
We're extending this beyond the fighting game boundries.

[2OS]

You can have around 70 winquotes max IIRC.

No, total is 100

VictoryQuote

State Controller: VictoryQuote

Selects a victory quote from the player to display in the next victory screen.

Required parameters:
    none
Optional parameters:

    value = quote_index (int)
        Specifies the index of the quote to use. Valid index values are from 0 to 99. If quote_index evaluates to an invalid index, a random quote will be selected. Defaults to -1.

Notes:
    This controller can be called by any player at any time during a match; however only the winning player will affect the quote that is shown. This controller only affects the victory screen immediately following the current match. This controller has no effect if executed by a helper. The actual victory quotes are specified in the [Quotes] group of the player's constants file.

Example:
[State VictoryQuote]
Type = VictoryQuote
Trigger1 = P2Name = "Kung Fu Man"
value = 3

Will show the 3rd quote defined in the .CNS file if you win against an opponent called Kung Fu Man.

^ That's the controller in a nutshell, and tho you probably know how to randomize which one triggers, I'm gonna post an example through courtesy anyway [ Even tho I'm probably never upgrading for highly untraditional reasons ]

[State VictoryQuote]
type=victoryquote
trigger1=1
value=0+(random%99)

You basically take your total amount of quotes, starting with the number 0 [ not 1 ], subtract 1, and plug that number in with the random% trigger


Additional info — If you're doing more than one quote for character specifics, be sure to group them together [ you probably will anyway lol ], that way you can randomize those too [ if desired ]

Say you have 5 quotes you want Ken to trigger against Ryu, and say the 1st of those 5 in order is number 25 [ basically 25 - 29 are VS. Ryu specific quotes ], with them in order with each other you would take the start number of where you placed the quotes, total them up, subtract 1 and random% that number like so

[State VictoryQuote]
type=victoryquote
trigger1=p2name="Ryu"||p4name="Ryu"
value=25+(random%4)

[Starlogical]

Yeah, and your style is meant to mimic POTS right?
You should update your style to POTS 1.0 style.

[Hero]

You both calm down 

Apart from the quotes, Im looking for changing the gameplay for the chars, INDIVIDUALITY. I mean, Kyo, for example, should have more damage by his Aragami chains, some type of invincibility, etc... That I mean with some help and suggestions.

And no one provided me any original quote  ???

[TTTTTsd]

Iori's Ya Otome should be a level 1 super, while the followup(Shiki Saika I believe) should cost another powerstock so it'd technically be a level 2. That's how it worked in KOF at least, and I think it'd work a bit better with that, but that's just my opinion.

[Hero]

Iori's Ya Otome should be a level 1 super, while the followup(Shiki Saika I believe) should cost another powerstock so it'd technically be a level 2. That's how it worked in KOF at least, and I think it'd work a bit better with that, but that's just my opinion.

I`d tried to make Iori, Kyo and Ken with some similarity in supers:

Kyo : 2 super lvl1, 1 super lv2, 1 super lvl 3
Ken : 2 super lvl1, 1 super lv2, 1 super lvl 3
Iori : 2 super lvl1, 1 super lv2, 1 super lvl 3

That`s why. Also, performing Shiki Saika you deal more damage than Kyo`s Shiki Orochinmagi and Ken`s KuzuryuReppa .

Try to mind it´s like Athena`s Shining Crsytal Bit. Need 1 power bar to cancel into Crystal shoot? No.

Is a explanation, thanks for take your time.

[Starlogical]

And no one provided me any original quote  ???

Ken: I win this time old friend. (vs Ryu)
Ken: I'm the best in America!
Ken: *pant* I just nearly dodged a bullet there. The anger within must be really strong. (vs Violent Ken)

Kyo: Your flame powers are weak and fake. Mine is the real deal. (vs any fire based character. Probably K' or Sol.)
Kyo: You guys say you're from Aoharu City? Several high schools there. (vs any Rival Schools character)

[TTTTTsd]

Winquotes eh? I have one for Kyo against any of his clones
Kyo: Hey, not bad, but you still can't top the real deal!

[Hero]

Thanks, looks fine to me.

I added SvC Taunt to V. Ken, now I must decide if that will be the principal taunt (by pressing only start) or a secondary (pressing start + any hold button)

Also, I had replaced low res Energy Pillar of Shinbuu Messatsu for the awesome Vyn`s Rugal. Now, I can delete the Orochi Skull, since Violent Ken is, in theory, controlled by Bison/Vega, not by Orochi. Should delete the Skull?

I had make ALL Kyo effects into hires, dunno if they re awesome like other creators but looks better for me.

Ill give some screen shots later, thanks.


PD : Dont know if any had noticed taht Athena has already Super Jump and Custom Combo.

[Starlogical]

Go ahead and delete the skull.
It'll make it more unique.

More Ken Quotes.

Ken: I'm hosting a victory party at home after this. And guess who it's for.
Ken: As soon as I got the first attack I knew I was going to be bored. And I was right.
Ken: A sword? Interesting, because it didn't last against my Divine Dragon Fist. (vs any Sword Users)
Ken: Don't bring a knife to a fist fight, boy. It didn't help you at all. (vs any Knife users)
Ken: You're a good fighter kid, but my son Mel could beat you. (vs any children characters/chibi characters)
Ken: My kicks are better than yours. (vs any Kick focused characters)

Violent Ken: UAHHHHHH
V Ken: RAAAAAAAAAA
V Ken: .......................
V Ken: .....G..O..U..K..I (vs Akuma/Gouki. Shin or no Shin)

[Takato-kun]

Go ahead and delete the skull.
It'll make it more unique.

(...)

Violent Ken: UAHHHHHH
V Ken: RAAAAAAAAAA
V Ken: .......................
V Ken: .....G..O..U..K..I (vs Akuma/Gouki. Shin or no Shin)

Yeah, take it off. You're reason is pretty good reason Hero ^^

Those quotes are from SvC? or similiar to them? x3

[Cyclysm]

I love you characters Hero and am looking forward to the updates. 
I got a bunch of Kyo win quotes for you right here

"This is too easy!"
"That's it? Well I'm not angry, just disappointed"
"Burn in the fury of my flames, you worthless weakling."
"So long weenie king. We won't meet again."
"Eat my flames of fury, wimp. Grovel before the Kusanagis."
"Stop moping around and butch up, you weenie!"
"Wow! Back to the gym for you. You're really pathetic."
"You just ain't got it. So stop whining and get lost."
"Resistance is flammable. No one can snuff my flame!"
"It's all experience. Fight on, dude!"
"Like raging flames of the sun. That is the fists of Kusanagi!"
"Hmm. You got the look down. But you lack the substance."
"Out of my way, punk! You make me sick, so you'll get no mercy from me!"
"Getting up again, I admire your spunk. But, you've already lost."
"You lack devotion. Steady effort is what counts. Me? I'm the exception to the rule!"
"Heh heh. How did you like that heat?"
"You should be thankful. I showed you the error of your ways!"
"Haven't you heard the expression of dancing too close to the flame...?"
"What's the deal? Not cooked enough, eh?"
"I didn't want you to feel cheated, so I let you play a little longer this time!"

All of them are from various KOF games

[Starlogical]

Those quotes are from SvC? or similiar to them? x3

Not directly taken word for word.
Kinda just reworded myself.

I don't think we should take quotes word for word now that we have the liberty to put whatever quotes we want.

[Hero]

Maybe I need to take some winquotes from SvC

Some screenshots:


Ken performing a Super Jump


Ken with a ShoryuKen in Hi-res


V. Ken and his HadouKen. Maybe it´s a little shiny :/


Ken and Shinryuken in Hi-res.


Violent Ken and Shinbuu Messatsu with Skull Pillar. Still there, I can delete it.


Iori and his Super Chi No Bousou, change the Hyper Portrait color to Iori`s power (purple).


Same for Kyo, now get a Fire-Portrait


Kyo and Shiki Orochinagi in Hi-res :O


Kyo and custom combo, it´s in training mode, 3 power bars still there XD

How they seem?

[TTTTTsd]

Looks pretty good, Kyo's especially, and I like the color coding for each portrait, that's a creative step in a good direction 

[GT]

Why is there so much blue on the Kyo Hyper port screenshot?

[Starlogical]

Why is there so much blue on the Kyo Hyper port screenshot?

That's the stage that's behind the super portrait.
And this'll be a competition between POTS/Jmorphman's Ken and Hero's Ken.

Which one shall we get when they're both released?