Your opinion on hops in KOF on high level play

[rgveda99]

Do you consider it cheap when a character like Kyo spams it in the corner with C+D?

[MAO11]

nah you do what you have to do.

[Thedge]

hops + A or B are more difficult to fight against.
A good basic anti air, like pre 02 Kim's D, or Kyo's crouching C, are good against what you mention.

[Bastard Mami]

Do you consider it cheap when a character like Kyo spams it in the corner with C+D?

it's normal, I suposse he is slipping a few crouch Bs in there to force you to guard, otherwise why are you not stand A him ?

[S.D.]

Do you consider it cheap when a character like Kyo spams it in the corner with C+D?

It's not even that good, so I don't get what's your complain.
You should be more worried about his jump d+C

[Keku]

Complaining about Kyo's hop CD? Really?
...really?

There's nothing "spammy" about a pressure game that doesn't even work properly. Were it Shen's CD though, that's hella viable. Excellent for fishing that knockdown but it's not unstoppable either.

[S.D.]

Or it could be even worse, like Vice's jumping CD (Doesn't it have minimal start up?) into EX snake arm into a full HD combo.

[Keku]

Wait, j.CD into EX reel works?
Holy shit man I did not know that and I used to main her.

BRB GOING BACK TO XIII
(and yeah her j.CD comes out superfast it's nasty as fuck)

[Bastard Mami]

kyo's jump CD was great in 2k1 and ... that's about it, then again everybody was buffed as hell in that game.

[rgveda99]

As a gameplay mechanic, would you guys think its a good idea to add super hops in most games like Guilty Gear X 2, Melty Blood or Arcana Heart?

Do you think its best to have advance guard/push block to balance things out?

[S.D.]

Wait, j.CD into EX reel works?
Holy shit man I did not know that and I used to main her.

It doesn't even have to be an aerial counterhit blowback, EX snake arm is a friggin' anywhere juggle.
I believe she has a double HD combo using that (Or was it a double stun combo?)

As a gameplay mechanic, would you guys think its a good idea to add super hops in most games like Guilty Gear X 2, Melty Blood or Arcana Heart?

Do you think its best to have advance guard/push block to balance things out?

No.

No.

[Sinnesloschen]

I believe she has a double HD combo using that (Or was it a double stun combo?)

It's a double HD combo.

[Noside]

You gotta see GGPO players in action. :3

[Duos.act]

Hops are like part of what makes KOF what it is. 

[rgveda99]

No.

No.

Can you give your reasons why?

[Keku]

We already have IAD's and there's a reason IAD height has been adjusted for GGXX. There is such a thing as being too safe while applying pressure, and that's what made GGX unbearably broken in part. Well, that and FD cancels. lol

[S.D.]

Can you give your reasons why?

I'd rather hear your reasons as to why homogenizing every fighting game is a good idea.

Pushblocks in every game? Why? That would break the flow of most games.
And I don't know what do you mean by "super hops", because the movement in MB, and GG (instant Air dashes) is waaay different to the one in AH (slower air dashes, faster homing)

It's a double HD combo.

Right, Joe, Hwa Jai and Benimaru are the ones with double stun combos.

[Bastard Mami]

Can you give your reasons why?

push block would completely break kof gameplay, just try playing one of those kof2k2 magic versions to see something similar in action.

hops completely break characters with chain combos, by giving them several infinites and guard loops.

[rgveda99]

I'd rather hear your reasons as to why homogenizing every fighting game is a good idea.

I actually have my own game I'm programming(currently studying) using 2d Fighter Maker.  Just want to know everyone's opinion since people play differently.  Some people like to win using every cheap trick they can use while others prefer to have a challenge or play defensively/strategically.  I'd like to able to design a game that's a hybrid between GG and KOF and have average noob players and advance players who can enjoy both.

Pushblocks in every game? Why? That would break the flow of most games.

I liked how its implemented in Arcana Heart 1 and 2 with the wind arcana which spends a cancel dash meter.

And I don't know what do you mean by "super hops", because the movement in MB, and GG (instant Air dashes) is waaay different to the one in AH (slower air dashes, faster homing)

A faster hop implemented in KOF.  Its like doing a super jump but with a hop.  That's how my opponent spammed me with Kyo in KOF '99 14 years ago.

We already have IAD's and there's a reason IAD height has been adjusted for GGXX. There is such a thing as being too safe while applying pressure, and that's what made GGX unbearably broken in part. Well, that and FD cancels. lol

Forgot about the fortress defense.  What I like about pushblocks in MVC/SFvX is that it has its own animation.  Its very expensive to use  in GG but very useful against Venom's super.

hops completely break characters with chain combos, by giving them several infinites and guard loops.

I see.  Didn't foresee that.  Thanks.

[Jmorphman]

I believe she has a double HD combo using that (Or was it a double stun combo?)

I need to see this combo.