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[R@CE AKIR@]

Thats not the point.

All i did was use some grab coding, and now suddenly I'm bad SMH...

"All I did was steal someone else's work and put my name on it and now people are calling me a thief? THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!"

Thats not true at all but if you want to keep thinking that then its whatever. Cus i have always gave credit where its due.

and the only time I have used something like that was on Griffon and I used it so that I could get the proper grabs down. And I had to fix them too because they needed fixing as well

So it wasnt like I just used it, I fixed it too.

I never hid it, I never lied about it at all. So whatever man.

"I just stole this iPhone and want to sell it. Hey at least I'm telling you I stole it!"

Yeah well, think what you think about whatever man.

[Trololo]

Well, i think here WILL be epic scandal...
But I don't see a reason for it!
And if it will be here- it will be funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2nKviggTY

[Negi Springfield]

But that right there.... that is the main reason why we dont have no where near as many people like we did back in 07 in mugen

This year we had a MUGEN fullgame being played at EVO

Whoa wait, WHAT I demand sources.

[Hephaistos31]

EPIC! If what you tell to me is right, Red, this is epic. As I told to Race in PM, people who get skills and if they can earn money with it it's great.
the difference is that you're making NEW stuff, and race is using some part (minor or not) of existing chars.

Now ,how can he contacts all the authors to make a deal with? this is pretty hard, no?
And as a direct opposite (oh fuck my bad english), what about people ready to pay for something like this?

[Jango]

Goddammit you guys I've been trying to post this for the last 10 minutes.

Remember this? And not everything I did was a commision

Yamazaki, Batsu, Rasetsumaru. Marco etc...

You're missing the point. AGAIN.

You did those for free so I could give a rat's ass about those. Somebody paid you money for Griffon, and you proceeded to rip other people's hard work off. That's where the trouble is.

Jango, if you felt a certain way about how R@CE conducted his business, no matter how minor I think we can all agree that a PM at least INITIALLY would've been more appropriate (and less dramatic). You've been here a lot longer than all of us, so the fact that you lost your shit and made a whole video out of spite or beef with someone who you (at least to my knowledge) never DIRECTLY spoke to is a bit...shocking. We younger bloods look up to you, this was out of line.

What good would a PM do? Do you think he'd just roll over and say "Oh shit, that was bad. Here, lemme refund my client his money!"

I am not targeting my video at him. I am targeting my video at his potential customers who are thinking of paying someone who is going to give them stolen goods for a product.

And thanks for mentioning that the "younger bloods" look up to me, I guess? If there's one thing I want newcomers to take from this, it's to question what they think is wrong, and to not get suckered in.

But that right there.... that is the main reason why we dont have no where near as many people like we did back in 07 in mugen

This year we had a MUGEN fullgame being played at EVO

Whoa wait, WHAT I demand sources.

lmbo

[Rabite]

Thats not the point.

All i did was use some grab coding, and now suddenly I'm bad SMH...

"All I did was steal someone else's work and put my name on it and now people are calling me a thief? THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!"

Thats not true at all but if you want to keep thinking that then its whatever. Cus i have always gave credit where its due.

and the only time I have used something like that was on Griffon and I used it so that I could get the proper grabs down. And I had to fix them too because they needed fixing as well

So it wasnt like I just used it, I fixed it too.

I never hid it, I never lied about it at all. So whatever man.

"I just stole this iPhone and want to sell it. Hey at least I'm telling you I stole it!"

Yeah well, think what you think about whatever man.

Thanks I will. Thief. Fraud. Whiner.

[Vans]

Someone asked for comparisons between the two works, here they are:
Left is CrossCat, right is Race.

[Umezono]

that looks like more than one move lol. i dont have coding knowledge so is it? or are we juts looking at the states for the one grab?

seems like a lot to forget to credit for.

[R@CE AKIR@]

No thats because the move had more states in it

I never said I didnt used Crosscat's move, you can clearly see its his

[rednavi -RETIRED]

Hey! At least he changed the .cns file's name. Give him some credit, Jesus!

[Hephaistos31]

Yes, Vans. This is the same. We all know it.
So now, Crosscat is still active? There is any way to cantact him?

[Cybaster]

Wait, because I did the same thing with GM.
Left is GM, right is r@ce's :

[Rabite]

Yes, Vans. This is the same. We all know it.
So now, Crosscat is still active? There is any way to cantact him?

Shouldn't the thief be trying to do that instead of you? I mean if he's going to be selling someone else's work he should be trying to get their permission first.

[Vans]

And then-where is the evidences?
Maybe our dear friend Jango give to us some proofs, that Hale's work is made only from parts of other chars? Maybe he give us some proof about R@CE in NOT working?
Yeah, he used some codes... And what? Except this code ewerything not writed by him? It still not his works because of some codes?

That's why I posted it, someone asked for it.

[Hephaistos31]

GM is still active, maybe?

Rabite: YES!!! Of course YES!! Because as you know (well if you mind to read my previous messages) this is normal to get a reward when you do something.
I think that Race just didn't though about it more precisely.
And where I stick with him is that this bashing is unacceptable as you should tell him this A LOT EARLIER.

[R@CE AKIR@]

Goddammit you guys I've been trying to post this for the last 10 minutes.

Remember this? And not everything I did was a commision

Yamazaki, Batsu, Rasetsumaru. Marco etc...

You're missing the point. AGAIN.

You did those for free so I could give a rat's ass about those. Somebody paid you money for Griffon, and you proceeded to rip other people's hard work off. That's where the trouble is.

I wasnt trying to rip anybody off I liked the move and thought it would be a nice level 3 to put in him. That's the only reason why I did it

It still took alot of time to make things the way they were in the character. I always liked that move that he did so like I said I decided to add it

If that's your issue then fine, but my intentions were not that of someone who was trying to do anything like that at all

[rednavi -RETIRED]

Yes, Vans. This is the same. We all know it.
So now, Crosscat is still active? There is any way to cantact him?

The ideal thing would be to not to use GM's assets at all and instead contact somebody else who made another Tizoc and who's still available and offer him part of the money. That or create your own Tizoc, which is the best path if you want to learn how the character properly works and not end with mister-infinite-pressure instead.

[Rabite]

GM is still active, maybe?

Look at his avatar. It's a big strong man with a big bad gun. He needs to be able to fight his own fights. Let him show how big of a man he is.

[Umezono]

race, im just saying but, when you freely admit to charging money for edited work, theres gonna be people who like it and will pay for it (for whatever reason) and people who really dont think its ethical at all.

theres no rule against what you are doing. we encourage people to use assets form other peoples work to learn and create. but people are still gonna get mad you are charging people for someone elses, regardless if you said so or not.

the point isnt that you didnt tell anyone for these people, its the fact you did it in the first place

[Hephaistos31]

THIS MAN IS TERRY CREW, RABITE!

Ok. Stop this drama now, guys. I tried to put the point visible, now it is. Just maybe find a solution, but in a better way?

I don't know if those 2 men are still active or not, Rabite. I just wanna say something more here, and I'm done:
- If a creator uses some works done by another creator and that he is inactive, what to do?
- If a creator uses some works done by another creator and that he is active, contact him, talk a deal ect ect. I find it normal, I repeat it.

Your bashing was not needed. Not on this form.