Seth (USF4)

[Mr. I]

Seth.

Spoiler: Preface (click to show)

Initially I was in the process of ripping Oni's sprites with the help of "Odb718" and was going to use Slitherware's hitbox viewer for accurate hitboxes, but after the update to Ultra, the software was not compatible so I was forced to halt the progression. After learning that FrameTrapped ( http://frametrapped.com/ ) was going to include this, I was going to continue once the software was released ( said "Coming Soon" around September 2014 so I assumed it would be out in October-ish ). As I waited for it and continued into the month of October, Capcom sent a notice to the Frame Trapped team that they would like the team to license the software through them, which basically delayed the release of FrameTrapped up until now. After this, I decided to postpone Oni's progression until FrameTrapped is released.

Ripping this guy was rather easy, though I see potential challenges with: Spinning Pile Driver, and Ultra 1 - Tanden Stream. Other than that, I think think the rest of the character should progress smoothly.

Spoiler: Super (click to show)

Spoiler: Screens/Hitboxes (click to show)

Key:
Green - Completed. Should be finalized pretty much
Blue - Implemented, incomplete or currently inaccurate behavior
Red - Currently being implemented, may be broken.

Progression Schedule
- Required Anims/Required Sprites
- Movement Forward/Back Dash
- Stand Attacks
- Close Stand Attacks
- Crouch Attacks
- Jump Attacks
- Jump Command Attacks
- Dive Kick
- Sonic Boom
- Shoryuken
- Spin Kick
- Tanden Engine
- Teleport
- Focus Attack/Red Focus Attack
- Spinning Pile Driver
- Throw/Back Throw
- Wall Jump
- Super
- Tanden Typhoon (Ultra 2)
- Tanden Stream (Ultra 1)
- Shoryuken Follow ups
- Bars/SF4 System related stuff
- Intro/Loss/Draw/Taunt poses
- General Polish

Want to test it? Here's a dropbox link for Seth's current files. They will be updated as more things get implemented. Do not expect a fully working product as of yet.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m6vcsm4c7dxrf05/AABPsLhoBe0Z9ynvdRbBf7Y0a?dl=0

[Violin Ken]

As a Seth main, it makes me happy you're making him! 

[Sir Ghostler]

This looks awesome!  Looking forward to seeing more progress on him. The sprites look ripped very cleanly.

Any chance of giving Seth his alt costumes as well?

[AlexSin]

I thought you were going to rip Dan, but hearing/reading you'll do Seth is just as amazing. We'll finally have an updated version of him. Will you put the Omega version/moveset too (once it comes out)?

And you said Slitherware's hitbox viewer doesn't work, but does the Camera Man tool still work?

[Kamekaze]

U1 isn't impossible to be exact. I'm sure you'll figure it out but there are at least 2 ways to do it in my mind and they both would look decent 2D anyway.

[AuMiO VXC]

This wip is good for chuchoryu.

[Kamekaze]

This wip is good for chuchoryu.

what

[Cybaster]

He probably means that this WIP will be useful to chuchoryu as he'll be able to use the sprites to sprite over them, or maybe some code. Anyway, that's totally off-topic.

Can't wait for Mr.I to progress with Seth. All his SF4 chars are incredible, so no doubt this one will be too !

[Mr. I]

Any chance of giving Seth his alt costumes as well?

No to the alts, since that would require 1000s of extra rips.

Will you put the Omega version/moveset too (once it comes out)?

And you said Slitherware's hitbox viewer doesn't work, but does the Camera Man tool still work?

No plans for the Omega version but if people want it, it will be done probably as a separate character.

Slitherware has updated camera man to v0.6 which is said to work for the current version of Ultra (v1.03 - I believe). Though v1.04 with Omega edition is said to be released after Capcom Cup which is in 2 weeks from now. Here's hoping either he updates it fast, or there are no compatibility issues.

U1 isn't impossible to be exact. I'm sure you'll figure it out but there are at least 2 ways to do it in my mind and they both would look decent 2D anyway.

I don't think either of them will be hard... though they will probably take the longest out of the other moves. Ultra 2 requires no zooms so that one will be done first.

I already did quite a bit of this character when I tried to convert Werewood/Borewood's Golden Seth to USF4, but stopped because of lack of sprites. Because of this, the p2 state for Tanden Engine suction is already done and ready to go. It has the same property as Rufus' Ex Galactic Tornado and Big Bang Tornado.

[Kamekaze]

oh good, the p2 states are just a bunch of math to make the sprite distorted as best as possible.

[Mr. I]

So no pre-releases or beta versions this time.

Instead you get a dropbox link with files that will be updated as stuff gets put in. Much easier this way.

[djlolo]

So no pre-releases or beta versions this time.

Instead you get a dropbox link with files that will be updated as stuff gets put in. Much easier this way.

great job is awesome . when do you making dan need to dan hibiki please lol

[Violin Ken]

So far, so good!

I know your jump attacks aren't finished, so i'm not sure if you're already aware, but the only thing i found so far is on his mk stomps, after the 3rd hit, his stomps reset.  It should just go back to middle kick.  Also, the timing/pausetimes? seem off for these.  Perhaps lengthening the pausetimes might help.

I'll let you know if I find anything else.

[Mr. I]

It never occured to me to even try to stomp after the third one haha.

Are you sure the pausetimes feel off? I set it to 10, which is the default for medium attacks. Maybe I'm allowing the player to input the next button too early and should lengthen the time of inactivity where the player should wait before inputting the next attack (stomp or divekick).

[Violin Ken]

You're probably right that it's the input times and not the pausetimes.  I was just guessing why the stomps felt quicker than I'm used to.

[Amir Hussain Khan]

the character is good but sometimes it suck when i press different keys at same time like when i press right Arrow up Arrow Left Arrow with puch the character stuck

[Violin Ken]

nice update.  Some feedback below

-light sonic boom seems to travel a bit faster than I remember.  Also, the hitstun from sonic boom seems to be too quick.  Standing right next to p2, you should be able to combo sonic boom > ex cancel dash forward > close hp.

-can't ex cancel out of mp sonic boom and hp sonic boom.

-Shoryukens are missing hp whiff sound.  Also missing jumpland sound.

-it's harder than usual to connect the combo below.  In particular the stomps.  Not certain where the problem lies...  Either landing from shoryuken should have ctrl = 1 earlier or I think p2 should either fly a bit higher or float a little more.  kind of weird trying to translate sf4 physics into mugen.
       crouching hp > light shoryuken > stomps

[H Mr. Ton!]

Damn that rip is clean.

[Mr. I]

Ok, here's a detailed update.

Significant changes made to all normals that hit airborne opponents. All light, medium and hard normals that don't cause knockdown have been normalized such that based on strength, they should do the same amount of pushback. This will be most noticable in air normals as they will now float the opponent higher and it will take more time for them to hit the ground. This will make air to air then cross-unders possible now. This change appears universal and will be applied to my previous SF4 characters.

-light sonic boom seems to travel a bit faster than I remember.  Also, the hitstun from sonic boom seems to be too quick.  Standing right next to p2, you should be able to combo sonic boom > ex cancel dash forward > close hp.

-can't ex cancel out of mp sonic boom and hp sonic boom.

Even though the focus attack has not been implemented yet, the functionality for it seems to work and I never even noticed. That said, the combo of sonic boom fadc hp actually DOES combo, but for some reason mugen doesn't register it. Turn on Debug (Ctrl + D) and look at the value for "Combo" (basically the one that does the scaling). If you do the combo, it will end in 2 instead of reset to 1. That said, no change will be made to the hitstun (unless you mention otherwise). I also added the cancel property for mp, hp and ex versions.

-Shoryukens are missing hp whiff sound.  Also missing jumpland sound.

They are added.

-it's harder than usual to connect the combo below.  In particular the stomps.  Not certain where the problem lies...  Either landing from shoryuken should have ctrl = 1 earlier or I think p2 should either fly a bit higher or float a little more.  kind of weird trying to translate sf4 physics into mugen.
       crouching hp > light shoryuken > stomps

I made some adjustments to the last 2 moves. The frames for all shoryukens are correct and no change was made to any of them. What I changed was the increase the knockback distance vertically and fall rate. I counted frames and the opponent should be in the air for exactly 47 frames. With this, the character should float slightly higher and the combo may be easier to do, but may need your verification. I also increased the vertical knockback distance of all stomps, and if you do the combo you should now have an opportunity to do a cross under the opponent as well

Good to have an actual Seth player on board. I would have probably missed quite a few of these.

the character is good but sometimes it suck when i press different keys at same time like when i press right Arrow up Arrow Left Arrow with puch the character stuck

It's cos the character is entering states that don't exist yet. In time, that stuff will disappear.

[Violin Ken]

-Ah, I see that sonic boom fadc combos now in debug mode.  It's kind of hard to connect, but it works.  Weird that mugen wouldn't display it via it's displayed combo counter.  However, I still think the hitstun window still seems too small for connected sonic booms.  i'm just looking at the hit anims from getting hit by a sonic boom in usf4 and it seems a lot longer than what's showing in mugen.  I recall being able to connect standing HP after sonic boom pretty liberally. 

-You shouldn't be able to cancel ex sonic boom into fadc.

-As for your changes with connecting the stomps at the end of the combo, it seems even more difficult now than before.  :/  i can't land a single stomp on p2.  Just tried in usf4 and i could land it every time.

-Just noticed this, it's merely cosmetic, but something to note.   When p2 Seth gets hit by sonic boom, p2 gethitanim appears to be more like he got hit in the gut rather than on the head.  This seems to be the case only when it's against tall players though where the sonic boom is at gut level.

-Not sure if you're aware, but his turning animations missing.