AI [state - 1] projectile question?

[mug3nM8n]

hey i would like to know how to make my character use his projectile more if anybody could reccomend some triggers   here is my code. var(5) = 1 is my AI trigger i have imput all the nessecary commands and set the variable trigger, but i just want to see him use this move alot more any tips?

[State -1, AI]
type = ChangeState
value = 777 ;plasma blast
triggerall = var(5)=1 && roundstate = 2 && statetype !=A
triggerall = (p2stateno!=[120,155]) && (p2statetype!=L)
triggerall = (enemy,vel y>-1)
triggerall = p2statetype = A
triggerall =  ctrl
trigger1 = p2bodydist x > 160 && random < 11

[Cybaster]

you have random<11, and random gives a number between  and 1000, so the chances of it coming out is very low.

Change it to something like random<250

[mug3nM8n]

ok thank you ill try that

[aokmaniac13]

you have random<11, and random gives a number between  and 1000, so the chances of it coming out is very low.

That's true, however this trigger is being checked 60 times a second.
250 is an unreasonably high number by comparison.  It's almost guaranteed to go off in less than ten frames, this gives the AI a ridiculously high and consistent reaction speed.

[Cybaster]

Yeah, true.

Also :

triggerall = (enemy,vel y>-1)

This trigger means the ennemy is jumping. I don't see why the char would be performing his projectile only if the ennemy is in the air (unless it's a diagonal projectile, in which case p2bodydist Y would be a better choice).

[Cyanide]

More accurately, enemy is jumping up, if enemy is static, or beginning his descent, then that trigger won't count either.

Ignore that it's wrong, wasn't reading properly.

[hjk]

Also :

triggerall = (enemy,vel y>-1)

This trigger means the ennemy is jumping. I don't see why the char would be performing his projectile only if the ennemy is in the air (unless it's a diagonal projectile, in which case p2bodydist Y would be a better choice).

More accurately, enemy is jumping up, if enemy is static, or beginning his descent, then that trigger won't count either.

Is that what it means?
I thought the enemy would be in his/her descent if the yvel was greater than 0/-1.
I could be wrong, but I thought the 'less thans [less than 0s]' were rising, and 'greater thans [greater than 0s; in the case of -1 static or more]' the enemy is falling.
I believe that was in the Docs, but I can't remember now... checking.


Edit:
CNS Docs:

4. Position, velocity and acceleration
...
A Y-position of zero is at ground level. As the player's Y-position gets larger he moves downwards. For example, a negative Y-position means he is in the air.
...
A player with positive Y-velocity is moving downward, and a negative Y-velocity means he is moving up.

[Byakko]

It's even true when the opponent is standing on the ground.

[Cyanide]

Oh sorry, got it backwards, oops.

[hjk]

Oh sorry, got it backwards, oops.

I used to have a real problem with that.
I never understood why it was necessary for Mugen to be set up that way, but its not my place to complain  .

[Bastard Mami]

It's even true when the opponent is standing on the ground.

lol, yeah, actually i feel like rotfling...

[Cyanide]

I'm going to be ridiculed for that aren't I...

You're all bastards!!!!!!!!! 

[hjk]

I'm going to be ridiculed for that aren't I...

You're all bastards!!!!!!!!! 

I still love you Cyanide 
*BIG HUGZIZEZ*

You haven't tampered with Mugen for a while so it's perfectly OK

[Bastard Mami]

I'm going to be ridiculed for that aren't I...

You're all bastards!!!!!!!!! 

nah, i was laughing at the tought of an ai trying to shoryuken a character with a Y vel of 0, as byakko
pointed out.

[mug3nM8n]

can AI be coded in the state -3  as well as -1 ?

because i followed advice  by adding


[State -3, StandGuard]
type = ChangeState
triggerall = (Var(5) = 1) && (StateType = S) && (Pos Y >= 0) && (P2BodyDist Y <= 0)
triggerall = (P2BodyDist Y >= -120) && (P2StateType != C) && (P2MoveType = A)
trigger1 = (P2BodyDist X <= 120) && (Random <= 799) && (Ctrl)
trigger2 = (StateNo = [140, 155]) || (StateNo = [100, 105])
value = 130

[State -3, CrouchGuard]
type = ChangeState
triggerall = (Var(5) = 1) && (StateType != A) && (Pos Y >= 0) && (P2BodyDist Y <= 0)
triggerall = (P2BodyDist Y >= -50) && (P2StateType = C) && (P2MoveType = A)
trigger1 = (P2BodyDist X <= 120) && (Random <= 799) && (Ctrl)
trigger2 = (StateNo = [140, 155]) || (StateNo = [100, 105])
value = 131

[State -3, AirGuard]
type = ChangeState
triggerall = (Var(5) = 1) && (StateType = A) && (Pos Y < 0) && (P2BodyDist Y >= -120)
triggerall = (StateType = A) && (P2MoveType = A)
trigger1 = ((P2BodyDist X <= 120) && (Ctrl)) || (StateNo = [140, 155])
value = 132

does that mean you can code AI moves in state -3 then? optionally instead of state -1

[hjk]

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can AI be coded in the state -3  as well as -1 ?

because i followed advice  by adding


[State -3, StandGuard]
type = ChangeState
triggerall = (Var(5) = 1) && (StateType = S) && (Pos Y >= 0) && (P2BodyDist Y <= 0)
triggerall = (P2BodyDist Y >= -120) && (P2StateType != C) && (P2MoveType = A)
trigger1 = (P2BodyDist X <= 120) && (Random <= 799) && (Ctrl)
trigger2 = (StateNo = [140, 155]) || (StateNo = [100, 105])
value = 130

[State -3, CrouchGuard]
type = ChangeState
triggerall = (Var(5) = 1) && (StateType != A) && (Pos Y >= 0) && (P2BodyDist Y <= 0)
triggerall = (P2BodyDist Y >= -50) && (P2StateType = C) && (P2MoveType = A)
trigger1 = (P2BodyDist X <= 120) && (Random <= 799) && (Ctrl)
trigger2 = (StateNo = [140, 155]) || (StateNo = [100, 105])
value = 131

[State -3, AirGuard]
type = ChangeState
triggerall = (Var(5) = 1) && (StateType = A) && (Pos Y < 0) && (P2BodyDist Y >= -120)
triggerall = (StateType = A) && (P2MoveType = A)
trigger1 = ((P2BodyDist X <= 120) && (Ctrl)) || (StateNo = [140, 155])
value = 132

does that mean you can code AI moves in state -3 then? optionally instead of state -1

If I remember correctly, it all depends on where you define it.
You must define [state -3]  (    [statedef -3]    ) seperately from everything else and make sure the char doesn't already have that state defined soemwhere else. Then you can place all of the code you want under [state -3] (hopefully the actual filetype you save it as isn't anal).

I'm going to be ridiculed for that aren't I...
You're all bastards!!!!!!!!! 

nah, i was laughing at the tought of an ai trying to shoryuken a character with a Y vel of 0, as byakko
pointed out.

I didn't even think of that

[Cyanide]

What do you mean haven't tampered, i'm making a character right now. My reading comprehension was well below average there.


Yes you can code in state -3, you can also code in state -2

Just remember if you have a movetype = H counter anywhere if it's in state -3 it won't trigger if you're put into a custom state. Also if you're using state -2 you must have the trigger roundstate = 2 or else you continue fighting when the match is over, for a little while anyway. (or sometimes when you're dead)

[mug3nM8n]

lol i can just picture that trying to fight while dead...... in the lie down state punching the air lol

is it possible to make a character good without AI? (mine will have AI)
reason im asking is because theres this character called eric(looks like ken from SF and wears light blue)
i was browsing through his .cns file and .cmd file and noticed there wasnt any AI atall, and he fights quite good in watch mode...not the best but he fights ok. But i guess if u want your character to fight like evilryu evilken ect you need AI right?

[Cyanide]

If you want your character to fight on the wrong side of cheapness, then yes you need an AI. If you want your character to fight well, to a certain extent taking the impossible AI commands method, but applying them to your basic moves will make the mugen AI use them a little more. Psycho Shredder works on this theory and he has no AI, he just spams his moves because he's got lots to choose from.

Ie

move1 name = "attack"
command = QCFb

move2name = "attack"
command = abcxyzFBFBFBF

will allow that move to come out twice as often, but doesn't need AI. Not sure how effective it is really as it's not widely used (in fact, it's only in psycho shredder as far as i know and it works well there)

[hjk]

What do you mean haven't tampered, i'm making a character right now. My reading comprehension was well below average there.

I'm just playing

is it possible to make a character good without AI? (mine will have AI)
reason im asking is because theres this character called eric(looks like ken from SF and wears light blue)
i was browsing through his .cns file and .cmd file and noticed there wasnt any AI atall, and he fights quite good in watch mode...not the best but he fights ok. But i guess if u want your character to fight like evilryu evilken ect you need AI right?

If you want your character to fight on the wrong side of cheapness, then yes you need an AI. If you want your character to fight well, to a certain extent taking the impossible AI commands method, but applying them to your basic moves will make the mugen AI use them a little more. Psycho Shredder works on this theory and he has no AI, he just spams his moves because he's got lots to choose from.
Ie
move1 name = "attack"
command = QCFb
move2name = "attack"
command = abcxyzFBFBFBF
will allow that move to come out twice as often, but doesn't need AI. Not sure how effective it is really as it's not widely used (in fact, it's only in psycho shredder as far as i know and it works well there)

In addition to what Cyanide said, this is a funny little bit of (I guess semi-ignorant) info. The default AI has a tendency to go directly into your character's power charge state. When a character doesn't have that, the default AI usually appears decent, especially on smaller stages, and can even make your char seem as though it has AI. 
The thing that still baffles me about the default AI is that I don't understand just how it always seems to want to charge no matter what you label your states as  . I might be the simplicity of the command triggers, but that still makes me question why basics wouldn't override the charge?