SF4 Influenced Gouken FX Update Video sigh -_-

[bloodriotiori]

Well, i guess the time for me to release this vid has come.  I made this a little while after i added the fx in, but i wasn't going to release it.  But since Alchemist decided to release the fx to the public, i'm not about to have his and my hard work go down the drain, and have people say that i just copied other people and added these lol:

Here is a video showcasing all the fx in gouken that are from SF4.  I added dates to the video on the description as to when each animation was added, as you will see, most were added before the end of the first week in october, plus many of you have seen the pictures i posted on here several weeks ago showing the begining of many of the fx.  All hitsparks were resized to my liking, and i feel he's very solid both in gameplay and visually now

I just know there's going to be a flood of other characters using these now, so i figure wtf, i'll at least let people know i used them first xD  Anyways here is the vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQEaVgbJUKY

Also i should note i'm currently making goukens AI, and while it's not that great it is a start, knightmare is helping me to learn on my own  It'll be my first AI i've really messed with, so don't expect magical things lol.  Anyways enjoy the teaser vid, gouken has had such a massive update now (i've tweaked changed..oh god..at least 50 things now lol) that he'll be ready for a release before too long  Any questions/comments feel free to post  Credit to Shinra, Alchemist, Jnxc and Knightmare this time around

P.S. Give it a minute to finish uploading heh.

[Cybaster]

- The throw at the end of 1st round doesn't have SF4 FX.
- Is the FX HR or LR (because you're using a LR display, so we don't really see) ?
- The "smoke" when Gouken falls down lacks transparency IMO.

Looks nice otherwise.

[Luis Alejandro]

strong focus attack still doesnt send opponent to there knees

[bloodriotiori]

- The throw at the end of 1st round doesn't have SF4 FX.
- Is the FX HR or LR (because you're using a LR display, so we don't really see) ?
- The "smoke" when Gouken falls down lacks transparency IMO.

Looks nice otherwise.

um....HR...i...think?  Lol.  They look pretty damn good to me when i play the game, so i'll leave that up to you guys to decide when you get him heh.

Well as far as the throw, i can only use the fx that were ripped for me, and there were no floor impact sprites

Do you mean the smoke when he lands from a jump?  If so i'll look into it.

strong focus attack still doesnt send opponent to there knees

ya, i'm working on getting a proper crumple state to work, it's just not something that's going that well for me.  I had one for a while that was...ok...but it needs to be much better, so we'll see

[DM]

If are you doing a 'SF4 influenced' char, using SF4 FX, why not to do this char as a full SF4 Gouken?

BTW, FX suits very well.

[Cybaster]

Do you mean the smoke when he lands from a jump?  If so i'll look into it.

Nope, when he's hit and falls on the ground (on his back).

[bloodriotiori]

If are you doing a 'SF4 influenced' char, using SF4 FX, why not to do this char as a full SF4 Gouken?

BTW, FX suits very well.

well, there's a few reasons for that.  One, my gouken doesn't PLAY 100% accurate to sf4, he has his moveset, but it's done in my own way, with my own tweaks, so it'd be wrong to call him a sf4 accurate gouken   Not to mention now alex has SO many freaking things from sf4 in his gouken (including these fx now sigh, which is why i made this video to show you all i had them originally, so there's no confusion at all or twisted words later on), that mine no longer feels as unique as it once did   It's rather frustrating at this point, and there's easily at least 6 things i could point out here but it's not worth the arguements anymore, as i've come to realize these particular thigns are arguements that in the end, i can not win, despite me being right

But yes i like the fx too, unfortunately now you're going to see them in his gouken, and in other chars too...so enjoy them being "cool" while you can, soon they'll be as overplayed as cvs2 hitsparks xD

Do you mean the smoke when he lands from a jump?  If so i'll look into it.

Nope, when he's hit and falls on the ground (on his back).

ah that.  Well that's the same reason my throw fx when he slams them down doesn't look any better, there were no floor impact sprites to use unfortunately :/

[Hadoabuser]

U could just change the name of he topic, that way nobody will think ur trying your be accurate.

[RedLunchbox]

Then he'll get requests for things that weren't in Street Fighter IV to begun with. (ex. Vertical Shoryuken)

[alexlexus]

If are you doing a 'SF4 influenced' char, using SF4 FX, why not to do this char as a full SF4 Gouken?

BTW, FX suits very well.

well, there's a few reasons for that.  One, my gouken doesn't PLAY 100% accurate to sf4, he has his moveset, but it's done in my own way, with my own tweaks, so it'd be wrong to call him a sf4 accurate gouken  Not to mention now alex has SO many freaking things from sf4 in his gouken (including these fx now sigh, which is why i made this video to show you all i had them originally, so there's no confusion at all or twisted words later on), that mine no longer feels as unique as it once did  It's rather frustrating at this point, and there's easily at least 6 things i could point out here but it's not worth the arguements anymore, as i've come to realize these particular thigns are arguements that in the end, i can not win, despite me being right
But yes i like the fx too, unfortunately now you're going to see them in his gouken, and in other chars too...so enjoy them being "cool" while you can, soon they'll be as overplayed as cvs2 hitsparks xD

Do you mean the smoke when he lands from a jump?  If so i'll look into it.

Nope, when he's hit and falls on the ground (on his back).

ah that.  Well that's the same reason my throw fx when he slams them down doesn't look any better, there were no floor impact sprites to use unfortunately :/

not liking how this is sounding. i never told you to restrict the edit you made off my old version of gouken, and it seems like you arent to happy that alchemist made those effects open source. by releasing this video and putting dates as to when you added effects and stuff only implies that im to be seen as stealing ideas and so on when the bottom line is you ............edited.......my old gouken who is still not an open source character. if the effects are open source thats what they are.  only reason i started to add sf4 features is because i was asked to. we already talked about this and coming publicly to put frustrations was wrong my man. you say you can count 6 things ..............that argument is not valid at all.
you said gouken has complelet new coding is also untrue cause you still have my basics and simply removed supers and tweaked specials. dont get me wrong im not ripping you cause you are my friend but please stop with this trying to show somethign 1st cause it's not a good look.

you have to relax and remember and again we talked about this ....... my original is different from your edit still.

and i didnt even want anyone to know i was going to use them it was to be a surprise. sign thanks alot

[Continuity]

But yes i like the fx too, unfortunately now you're going to see them in his gouken, and in other chars too...so enjoy them being "cool" while you can, soon they'll be as overplayed as cvs2 hitsparks xD

I really don't think they'll be as overplayed as cvs2 hitparks, sf4 hitsparks are basically hi-resed sf3 hitsparks, I would expect sf4 style characters to use them most of the time

[bloodriotiori]

If are you doing a 'SF4 influenced' char, using SF4 FX, why not to do this char as a full SF4 Gouken?

BTW, FX suits very well.

well, there's a few reasons for that.  One, my gouken doesn't PLAY 100% accurate to sf4, he has his moveset, but it's done in my own way, with my own tweaks, so it'd be wrong to call him a sf4 accurate gouken  Not to mention now alex has SO many freaking things from sf4 in his gouken (including these fx now sigh, which is why i made this video to show you all i had them originally, so there's no confusion at all or twisted words later on), that mine no longer feels as unique as it once did  It's rather frustrating at this point, and there's easily at least 6 things i could point out here but it's not worth the arguements anymore, as i've come to realize these particular thigns are arguements that in the end, i can not win, despite me being right
But yes i like the fx too, unfortunately now you're going to see them in his gouken, and in other chars too...so enjoy them being "cool" while you can, soon they'll be as overplayed as cvs2 hitsparks xD

Do you mean the smoke when he lands from a jump?  If so i'll look into it.

Nope, when he's hit and falls on the ground (on his back).

ah that.  Well that's the same reason my throw fx when he slams them down doesn't look any better, there were no floor impact sprites to use unfortunately :/

not liking how this is sounding. i never told you to restrict the edit you made off my old version of gouken, and it seems like you arent to happy that alchemist made those effects open source. by releasing this video and putting dates as to when you added effects and stuff only implies that im to be seen as stealing ideas and so on when the bottom line is you ............edited.......my old gouken who is still not an open source character. if the effects are open source thats what they are.  only reason i started to add sf4 features is because i was asked to. we already talked about this and coming publicly to put frustrations was wrong my man. you say you can count 6 things ..............that argument is not valid at all.
you said gouken has complelet new coding is also untrue cause you still have my basics and simply removed supers and tweaked specials. dont get me wrong im not ripping you cause you are my friend but please stop with this trying to show somethign 1st cause it's not a good look.

you have to relax and remember and again we talked about this ....... my original is different from your edit still.

and i didnt even want anyone to know i was going to use them it was to be a surprise. sign thanks alot

You have a really REALLY bad habit of assuming what people are saying or doing.

You are right, you are my friend, and as my friend i'm going to tell you some things, AS MY FRIEND, so you take them as you will.

The bottom line here sir, is that you VERY SPECIFICALLY did infact tell me, that the only way i could use your goukens sff file, is if i EDIT FROM YOUR GOUKEN.  I had NO other choice at the time because i am respectful to the wishes of others, therefore i decided i would do just that.  I spent months, MONTHS, having to convince you over and over, to keep working on your gouken, keep putting work into him, despite the mountain of haters.  I spent months having to practically beg you to let me keep using the sprites, because on a number of occasions, you thought for w/e reason i should stop using the sff file.

I have absolutely no issue with you adding sf4 related things to your gouken, but now look at your gouken and look at mine. Show me any differences other then gameplay, and the ADDITIONAL moves yours has that mine does not.  It was YOUR WORDS, YOUR STATEMENT, and i quote "i'm not sure i want my sprites being used, because people are going to confuse our goukens".  That is why i went the route of making him completely sf4 oriented.  You discussed with me a while ago ,that you were considering adding in sf4 moves, which was fine, and still is.  However seeing how this gouken has taken off in a completely different way then yours, and seeing as yours had a completely workable and usable moveset as is, with a few influences from sf4, i'm still curious as to WHY he has the entire sf4 moveset now as well.

Again i'm simply quoting YOU as in saying YOU are the one who demanded that our goukens be as different as possible.  Are you getting what i'm saying yet?  Then we had the issue with the senkogoshoha sprite, as well as several other issues related to things from mine that i'm not going to drudge up again, that i eventually ok'd and explained to you as to why i had an issue with them.

And again you're on about the normals?  Would you care to sprite up an entire new set of gouken normal animations for me to use so they don't look like yours?  I sure wouldn't.  And a quick glance would indicate that "your" normals, are nothing but akumas normals with goukens head on them.  See what i'm getting at here?

There's a bigggg difference between editing your old gouken, and completely changing his moveset and the way he plays, as well as making my own animations out of current sprites so as to have them be..once again...different then yours...shall i point out which ones were originally in mine as well as code sir?  I'm NOT trying to sound like an ass with this, though i'm sure that's how you're going to see it.  I'm simply making a point to you, that i'm not sure is sinking in.

And again on the subject of i still have your normals and did nothing but edit moves and change supers?  What would you call what your gouken was originally?  He had akumas normal animations, which functioned similar.  He had the same overly used shoto moveset that ALL ryus and akumas have.  He is a shoto, that doesn't play like a shoto, which is what i was going for with this incarnation of him.

I don't know how to make this any clearer to you dude, with what i've done and what i've aimed to make this "edit" of your gouken.  I can't possibly explain it in anymore detail then i have in private and in public with you.

And believe me, those "six things" (that's just an example btw) are more valid then you realize, however i'm not going to drudge them up as they don't apply atm, so just pretend i didn't say that, so we can avoid an even bigger arguement later, for your sake

But yes i like the fx too, unfortunately now you're going to see them in his gouken, and in other chars too...so enjoy them being "cool" while you can, soon they'll be as overplayed as cvs2 hitsparks xD

I really don't think they'll be as overplayed as cvs2 hitparks, sf4 hitsparks are basically hi-resed sf3 hitsparks, I would expect sf4 style characters to use them most of the time

eh ya you'd think that, but alot of non cvs2 type chars use those hitsparks, ect.  We shall see though, i personally think sf4 hitsparks are very nice and should be used alot but we'll see how it goes

[alexlexus]

i will make a video bloodriot and i will show you how different the specials ,supers, and other thins are. i didnt get around to reading the entire post but i did pick up that i did infact say you could use them as long as you edited them. you might have misunderstood i meant not just a few. this is main reason why people are still seeing my old sprites and confusing the edit with mine. this forced me into the half gi (painful project and hair). make sure you fully understood use them as long as you edit them. maybe i should have been clearer or you should have asked for more specifics. THEM meant al of them. leaving alot of the sprites the same from old versions isnt what i had in mind. but im doing the half gi later on. but this is why i will not allow any further edits of my work in the future. the last person who will do an edit is reza and it's a simply mvc2 conversion for vs series with the presentation.

[SlenderMan]

I'm with Lexus on this one dude....sry....edit the sprites so you can tell the difference by look is what I'm seein he said...no need to have a quirrel about the character when he looks different....(LOOKS DIFFERENT)

[Hien]

  Man you guys sure are a Riot xD but anyways you guys should just chill, i might not make much sense and i didnt really read your guy's post's, but im not on anyones side just saying what i gotta say.

So who cares if anyone uses the same FX's as you or who had it first or what ever blah blah, doesnt matter i doubt anyone really cares if people actually like "HEY Bri had those First! What NO Alex didnt blah blah".

Alex you said you wanted to make a Gouken to your style and what not correct so its alright if you add some SF4 moves here and there but you sholdnt over power things. and Durlyo did give BRI the Gouken sprite updates so he didnt steal anything from you and if you waana make the sprites differ from one another ( IMO it doesnt really matter ) go ahead it all matters on the gameplay. WHich i need to talk to you about

Once i read into the posts more ill post again  

[alexlexus]

Man you guys sure are a Riot xD but anyways you guys should just chill, i might not make much sense and i didnt really read your guy's post's, but im not on anyones side just saying what i gotta say.

So who cares if anyone uses the same FX's as you or who had it first or what ever blah blah, doesnt matter i doubt anyone really cares if people actually like "HEY Bri had those First! What NO Alex didnt blah blah".

Alex you said you wanted to make a Gouken to your style and what not correct so its alright if you add some SF4 moves here and there but you sholdnt over power things. and Durlyo did give BRI the Gouken sprite updates so he didnt steal anything from you and if you waana make the sprites differ from one another ( IMO it doesnt really matter ) go ahead it all matters on the gameplay. WHich i need to talk to you about

Once i read into the posts more ill post again  

durlyo gave the same sheet he upgrade for me.

[Hien]

Man you guys sure are a Riot xD but anyways you guys should just chill, i might not make much sense and i didnt really read your guy's post's, but im not on anyones side just saying what i gotta say.

So who cares if anyone uses the same FX's as you or who had it first or what ever blah blah, doesnt matter i doubt anyone really cares if people actually like "HEY Bri had those First! What NO Alex didnt blah blah".

Alex you said you wanted to make a Gouken to your style and what not correct so its alright if you add some SF4 moves here and there but you sholdnt over power things. and Durlyo did give BRI the Gouken sprite updates so he didnt steal anything from you and if you waana make the sprites differ from one another ( IMO it doesnt really matter ) go ahead it all matters on the gameplay. WHich i need to talk to you about

Once i read into the posts more ill post again 

durlyo gave the same sheet he upgrade for me.

but even so Durlyo can give his sheet to others not just YOU, because well it is his SHeet

[alexlexus]

Man you guys sure are a Riot xD but anyways you guys should just chill, i might not make much sense and i didnt really read your guy's post's, but im not on anyones side just saying what i gotta say.

So who cares if anyone uses the same FX's as you or who had it first or what ever blah blah, doesnt matter i doubt anyone really cares if people actually like "HEY Bri had those First! What NO Alex didnt blah blah".

Alex you said you wanted to make a Gouken to your style and what not correct so its alright if you add some SF4 moves here and there but you sholdnt over power things. and Durlyo did give BRI the Gouken sprite updates so he didnt steal anything from you and if you waana make the sprites differ from one another ( IMO it doesnt really matter ) go ahead it all matters on the gameplay. WHich i need to talk to you about

Once i read into the posts more ill post again 

durlyo gave the same sheet he upgrade for me.

but even so Durlyo can give his sheet to others not just YOU, because well it is his SHeet

he worked on top of MY sprites to make sure you understand.

[bloodriotiori]

i will make a video bloodriot and i will show you how different the specials ,supers, and other thins are. i didnt get around to reading the entire post but i did pick up that i did infact say you could use them as long as you edited them. you might have misunderstood i meant not just a few. this is main reason why people are still seeing my old sprites and confusing the edit with mine. this forced me into the half gi (painful project and hair). make sure you fully understood use them as long as you edit them. maybe i should have been clearer or you should have asked for more specifics. THEM meant al of them. leaving alot of the sprites the same from old versions isnt what i had in mind. but im doing the half gi later on. but this is why i will not allow any further edits of my work in the future. the last person who will do an edit is reza and it's a simply mvc2 conversion for vs series with the presentation.

knowing full well that i'm not a spriter, that makes little to no sense whatsoever.  Not to mention, once again in your words, you didn't want me making ANY edits to these sprites, you said that yourself, as you "worked too hard on them to just have them changed around", you didn't even want jnxc messing with them, making his OWN sprites from scratch, simply based on your originals, that is, until you saw what he could do.   You said absolutely not one word to me about making any edits to your sprites, only to your moves.  

And when i completely take yours out and put my own in (and if you really want me to change the normals, i will talk to jnxc, but it sounds like an excuse rather then an actual valid complaint, as once again, your normals are just akumas attacks with goukens head), that is not "editing" your moves, that's using your SFF file and using my own coding to get the desired results.  Believe me, i'm having no misunderstandings here whatsoever about anything that was said, and if i still had the convos saved that i had before (which i do not because of my HD wipe a while back), i'd show you how many times you've contradicted yourself in the last few posts here :/

NO one is confusing our 2 goukens, which has nothign to do with the sprites, you can clearly see a freaking sf4 power meter the SECOND you load mine up, as well as a very well made custom intro thanks to jnxc, there's nothing to confuse anymore, as well as you can (or rather could) see completely different fx and moves for a while.  Once again, that doesn't come off as a valid reason to me whatsoever, because no one else is seeing it that way but you.

I'm with Lexus on this one dude....sry....edit the sprites so you can tell the difference by look is what I'm seein he said...no need to have a quirrel about the character when he looks different....(LOOKS DIFFERENT)

your choice of sides isn't a concern for me.  The point here is that we're not trying to make ryu edit number 35030813801 with long hair and one with short, the characters were supposed to be significantly different, which again were his exact words.  I'd rather have a character look the same, and have completely different moves and fx.  And once again, why would i edit sprites that i wasn't supposed to touch?  He didn't even want Jnxc making his OWN sprites for me, based off his gouken, so why now is it suddenly i was supposed to edit the sprites?

Man you guys sure are a Riot xD but anyways you guys should just chill, i might not make much sense and i didnt really read your guy's post's, but im not on anyones side just saying what i gotta say.

So who cares if anyone uses the same FX's as you or who had it first or what ever blah blah, doesnt matter i doubt anyone really cares if people actually like "HEY Bri had those First! What NO Alex didnt blah blah".

Alex you said you wanted to make a Gouken to your style and what not correct so its alright if you add some SF4 moves here and there but you sholdnt over power things. and Durlyo did give BRI the Gouken sprite updates so he didnt steal anything from you and if you waana make the sprites differ from one another ( IMO it doesnt really matter ) go ahead it all matters on the gameplay. WHich i need to talk to you about

Once i read into the posts more ill post again  

Mugen is like a soap opera, don't you know that? lol.  This isn't about using the same fx as me, as once again, they are open source by alchemist (whom btw alex, did not "give" you these sprites, he GAVE them to me, and then made them open source to the rest of the public), so it's not my place to say what's used or what's not used.  That isn't the point here at all.

My point ENTIRELY, has 100% to do with all the talking in circles, and blatant changing that has gone on, to totally contradict exactly what alex himself originally wanted to happen, as well as myself, which were 2 different goukens, who fought in different ways, using different moves, and different coding styles.  At this point and time, it's clear by simply playing with them, that they are 2 different characters.  However it is not clear at this point, why a gouken that is not a sf4 gouken, that has another version of him flying around that is COMPLETELY based on the sf4 move set, has the entire sf4 move set now along with all the moves that he originally had, which were the only thing separating the 2 from being just rip offs of each other.  Cause from where i'm standing, i'm seeing things EXACTLY how alex DIDN'T want them to be seen in the first place.  

MONTHS i spent trying to make something totally unique to the original source, while still keeping a bit of the original creators attempt within (which btw alex, if you really REALLY wanna know, that's why your normals were the same coding almost, because the rest of the moves didn't work properly at all to start, only the normals, so i figured you'd appreciate me actually making an "edit" of your work, by leaving something of yours around within it), and MONTHS i spent having to beg for the continued use of this sff file, which i repeat, in alexs words, i was NOT allowed to edit or mess with.  Why i suddenly was allowed to after all this time is brand freaking new news to me.

Once again i could go on about certain bits of coding, certain moves, certain custom sprites, but i'm not going to, those points have been made and if they aren't able to be grasped at this point, then that's far beyond any help i can give anyone.  I guess the proof will be in the pudding and gameplay, but if you guys still can't see why i'm upset over this (and again it has nothing to do with using the open source sprites), then i give up trying to explain any further, as it's clearly going right over (or through..) peoples heads at this point.

[alexlexus]

i want the message or IM i said that stated that i didnt allow you to edit the sprites. cause  you are 1000% mistaken. i know EXACTLY what i told you about the sprites.....dont change my words and you know that.



any ways this will not go any future, im not here to fight but mainly support but Blood riot please be mindful how you are saying things cause i already lost shinra due to you not intentionally meaning to damage my reputation( as if it's good in the mugen world anyways).
but im looking at things from you point of view and mine. you didnt have to release that video like that cause i felt like dang so if i use the stuff from alchemist i'll look like the copy cat when it's open source. feel me?