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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#201  April 08, 2014, 12:25:25 pm
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I finally went with CVS Sagat. I just don't feel the other 2 completely. It was a touch choice but I'ma runnin' out of time to vote so a choice HAS to be made!!! AHHHH

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#202  April 08, 2014, 12:30:52 pm
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Voted for CVS Sagat, but I should have voted for the Armentis one now that I'm seeing the sprite comparison -_-

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#203  April 08, 2014, 01:28:09 pm
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Also CvS Sagat for me  :lipsrsealed2:

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#204  April 08, 2014, 02:17:56 pm
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We have seen many converts of CVS and SFZ Sagat in Mugen. SF3 Sagat is cool but it just look right maybe because of it's colors. I voted for Armentis Sagat as it deserves it's own slot in a Mugen game like this.

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#205  April 08, 2014, 05:16:28 pm
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Well, if any of you wants to edit ALL the pants, re-do the messy colours, re-do the side line on the pants, resize(if needed: and IT NEEDS), and a LONG etc...be welcome to do. I'm not going to take a single sprite of that (terrible) version. Sagat deserves something awesome, and Armentis' version(even he's supercool spriter and all) seems rushed, and one of his laziest works.


Here's a GRAPHIC PROOF of what I'm saying. First converted Sagat is an old sprite I did LONG ago, long before Armentis'(second Sagat):


As you can see, Armentis just recoloured SvC's a la CvS. Didn't put his fingers in the trousers, nor the feet toes...oh, and slim as Hell.

Why you people insist in INSULTING Sagat's good name? Unless you wanna retouch the whole thing, of course.
I swear there was something cool here!!

Umezono

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#206  April 08, 2014, 05:18:01 pm
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Can you chill out? What was the point of holding a public opinion poll if all youre gonna do is shout at people for giving their opinion? If you saw all those problems with Armentius why did you even include him as an option in the first place? That's your mistake.

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#207  April 08, 2014, 05:24:25 pm
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Umezono said, April 08, 2014, 05:18:01 pm
Can you chill out? What was the point of holding a public opinion poll if all youre gonna do is shout at people for giving their opinion? If you saw all those problems with Armentius why did you even include him as an option in the first place? That's your mistake.
1- I'm calm, don't worry.
2- I didn't make the poll.
3- From 2), as I didn't make the poll, I haven't included Armentis' version.
4- Is not a bit "bipolar" not liking someone's version and including it in a poll? Just think about it. In any case, I said ina a past, that Armentis did a version, BUT not the best around. If you  have seen my impression(first time I spoke about it), you have had read that I thought/think/wil think that is Slenderman in steroids.

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Now, guys, I think that we should focus on Ryu, IMHO. Let's leave polls for a future, as I propposed a page ago.
I swear there was something cool here!!

Umezono

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#208  April 08, 2014, 05:28:22 pm
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As one of the project leaders the onus would still be on you to make sure something that you do not want to work with is not going to be included as an option. Did you guys talk at all about the resources you wanted to use? Good project management dictates that youre all on the same page, if you were, you couldve told whoever made the poll that it wasnt worth putting him on. He's  winning right now, and if he does, what are you guy guys gonna do? Just put up a big middle finger to everyone who voted and throw it out? And even with all that considered you seem pretty angry as you are accusing people of insulting a fictional character's name by choosing a depiction of him that they like, calling a work lazy and terrible, and literally just absolving yourself of any responsibility by telling everyone else to do the work. It just doesn't seem professional. Especially considering your earlier words of encouragement to cvs the abstract.

I should probably add this is not really a criticism of you sicne its not your poll, but of how disorganized the leadership is if you guys didnt all agree on this poll
Last Edit: April 08, 2014, 05:34:00 pm by Umezono

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#209  April 08, 2014, 05:38:27 pm
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FeLo_Llop said, April 08, 2014, 05:16:28 pm
Well, if any of you wants to edit ALL the pants, re-do the messy colours, re-do the side line on the pants, resize(if needed: and IT NEEDS), and a LONG etc...be welcome to do. I'm not going to take a single sprite of that (terrible) version. Sagat deserves something awesome, and Armentis' version(even he's supercool spriter and all) seems rushed, and one of his laziest works.

Here's a GRAPHIC PROOF of what I'm saying. First converted Sagat is an old sprite I did LONG ago, long before Armentis'(second Sagat):


As you can see, Armentis just recoloured SvC's a la CvS. Didn't put his fingers in the trousers, nor the feet toes...oh, and slim as Hell.

Why you people insist in INSULTING Sagat's good name? Unless you wanna retouch the whole thing, of course.
If someone's against it or doesn't like the looks of them, then have 2 ways:
- Shut up.
- Do a better version.

FeLo_Llop

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#210  April 08, 2014, 05:46:27 pm
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Wait....what?

Please, read:

I spoke about Armentis' Sagat. YES. Said is not the best looking around. OF COURSE. Spoke about ALL his mistakes(pants, shading, size, etc). Why is people voting that version? mostly because people is "bored" of SFZ/CvS Sagat. Voters of CvS/SFZ are nostalgic(hey! I would have voted that one unless Chucho and Chamat didn't do that awesome SF3 version!!) that likes those sprites, because they fit pretty well about what Sagat means: BIG-INTIMIDATING-SENSE OF POWERFUL. All that is nowhere found at Armentis' Sagat.

I always say that Armentis is an AWESOME spriter. ALWAYS SAID. And I keep that word, I take my hat off with some of his sprites, but Sagat is a deception, considering all his past works. 

Also, I'm not angry. I even listed all what that version lacks. And it's not just 2 or 3 sprites, is THE WHOLE thing. Just take a look at those pants. How the side lines disappears in some of the sprites(yes, in the pants). I know Armentis took his time, and that's something I(and we, of course) am grateful for, but that's not a point at saying is the most fitting Sagat around. I offered myself for fixing ALL his Ryu sheet, started it, and then the poll appeared. It was not selected but...Did I become menstrual? Nope. I took my time fixing that sheet. The question NOW is: WHO's going to fix the WHOLE thing about Sagat? There are some sprites that are just a recoloured SvC(example provided up there!!). Some have stuff forgotten. Or mixed colours. Or a messy thing in the belt-side line area; have u at least took a look at it? I have.

That's why I can speak about it. I'm not going to touch a single sprite(I said it), and this poll is the last time you will see me speaking about Armentis' Sagat.

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I'm not against his version, I'm just saying it's rushed as Hell.

~~~At least I did a sprite conversion to somehow CvS(even a long long time ago); have you?
I swear there was something cool here!!

Umezono

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#211  April 08, 2014, 05:58:35 pm
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You are ignoring every criticism I wrote. This whole fiasco is the result of miscommunication about the project and miscommunication between the project staff. All your art criticisms are valid, but because you guys fucked up, the fact you're refusing to work on it looks pretty bad for how organized your team is. Either this poll never should have happened or he shouldnt have been up there in the poll, both reveal that you guys didnt talk or think through how youre going to tackle character inclusions.

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#212  April 08, 2014, 06:01:21 pm
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CvS Sagat. I'd have picked Chucho/Chamat's sprites, but they animate weirdly.
Alpaca-San said, December 27, 2014, 08:50:31 am
Is finding MUGEN to be more enjoyable to play when you're not wearing clothes an underrated opinion?

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#213  April 08, 2014, 06:03:54 pm
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Umezono said, April 08, 2014, 05:58:35 pm
You are ignoring every criticism I wrote. This whole fiasco is the result of miscommunication about the project and miscommunication between the project staff. All your art criticisms are valid, but because you guys fucked up, the fact you're refusing to work on it looks pretty bad for how organized your team is. Either this poll never should have happened or he shouldnt have been up there in the poll, both reveal that you guys didnt talk or think through how youre going to tackle character inclusions.

I read them. Also, thanks for your time.

Also, this

Xan said, April 08, 2014, 06:01:21 pm
CvS Sagat. I'd have picked Chucho/Chamat's sprites, but they animate weirdly.

Is true. I checked it too. Tha's ANOTHER reason why Armentis' Sagat is not the best choice around.
I swear there was something cool here!!

Umezono

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#214  April 08, 2014, 06:05:46 pm
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so if he wins what happens? are you guys just gonna throw it out

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#215  April 08, 2014, 06:06:49 pm
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Alpaca-San said, December 27, 2014, 08:50:31 am
Is finding MUGEN to be more enjoyable to play when you're not wearing clothes an underrated opinion?

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#216  April 08, 2014, 06:08:09 pm
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I'm with CvS (SFZ) Sagat. His sprites look cool and intimidating; he looks like the overwhelming God of Muai Thai.

SF2-proportioned Sagat doesn't quite give the same impression imo.

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#217  April 08, 2014, 06:09:23 pm
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- Umezono: Who have said that? Don't put THAT here that freely. If he's chosen, then so be it. I don't like that sheet, that's all. Show must go on :)!

- Xan: Why have I read Armentis(haaa!!I'm rushy too!)? the overall thing is ok, EXCEPT 3 kicks that moves weirdly, and the stand is...something that need to be fixed. That's all I can see on Chucho's Sagat.
I swear there was something cool here!!

Umezono

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#218  April 08, 2014, 06:10:36 pm
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but you said you would refuse to work on it, what if nobody else has the ability to do it? then this whole thing comes to a halt over sagat.

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#219  April 08, 2014, 06:11:43 pm
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FeLo_Llop said, April 08, 2014, 05:46:27 pm
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I'm not against his version, I'm just saying it's rushed as Hell.
that's basically what the people that aren't super fond of cvsabstract's kairi are saying too
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~~~At least I did a sprite conversion to somehow CvS(even a long long time ago); have you?
no and i don't see how a single sprite from either of us would change matters

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#220  April 08, 2014, 06:12:33 pm
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Holy shit: Warning - while you were typing 9 new replies have been posted. You may wish to review your post.

Dissension in the ranks!
I think I see why Felo is a bit irked about everything. He agreed on the open community aspect but some of the things(sprite wise) the open community is agreeing on is exactly the opposite of what he wants. System mechanics he can probably let go of a bit more. Sprites are his favorite thing and he has a lot stronger feelings for them. So seeing the Ryu sprites he wanted to use (and was already working to fix) not get voted in was rough.

And now he's passionate about the SF3 Sagat being in and it is trailing far behind. But to make it worse the sprite set he wants in the least is winning.

If it's any consolation Felo that sprite set is my least favorite of the 3 options as well :P

The poll is because this IS a community project. Sagat using sprites that need some work isn't as tall of an order as Ryu because Sagat will be much further away in the project. Sprites are just cosmetic (barring huge deviations to how CLSNs may work) so letting the community determine the winner is ideal.

I just hope Felo doesn't get too discouraged and decides the project is too far from his original idea.
Now there is one possible solution later. If the template works well and the modular coding idea is effective it shouldn't be too hard to do mere sprite swaps in an sff down the road with minor CLSN corrections. So to Felo, I wouldn't rule the other options completely out down the road. SFF building isn't too time consuming. Especially if all we need to do is replace them. It'd be like replacing them with a color separated sprite pack.

(Note that if CLSNs have to be changed for the swaps then the character probably wouldn't be part of the default game but would be an extra. Meaning there wouldn't be as much balance testing)
Last Edit: April 08, 2014, 06:16:22 pm by Just No Point
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