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Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 December 20, 2021, 11:55:47 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
 Board: Entertainment
I like how 3D Popeye was modeled after the 2000's trend of giving Warner Bros. and classic cartoon characters gangsta apparel and gold chains and guns and hoodies and junk that thank god died off.  I remember seeing the vendors in NYC hawking those shirts with shirtless Popeye tattooed from the neck down like that.  Just missing the gold and gem-encrusted grill.

I think the funniest part of this is how much it undersells Saitama's potential.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna pretend to argue the outcome, but, like, their version of Star from Star vs the Forces of Evil can beat Saitama.  Which....maybe not her in particular, but yeah?  He never was THAT grand.  Just an obscenely large fish in a small pond, and funny for it.
    

Re: "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties)

 December 13, 2021, 06:21:58 am View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties) (Started by no1wammy October 28, 2021, 02:12:11 am
 Board: Fighting Games
Eh.  I liked them.  I didn't love them.  But I also probably haven't watched enough anime since 2010 to pass counting on two hands so liking them is good enough for me.  Heavy bias to the original helps too.  Is what it is I guess.

Yeah, reading that sorta brings the story back to me.  Your memory on it is just clearer than mine was.  Anyways, though, it's a shame that that isn't what the skin in the game appears to be, at least from the details that we know of.  Disregarding the story, I just like the silliness of the literal shining gold beacon Superman becomes at his supposed greatest he'll ever become, it'd make for a neat skin in the game.
    

Re: "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties)

 December 13, 2021, 05:07:31 am View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties) (Started by no1wammy October 28, 2021, 02:12:11 am
 Board: Fighting Games
Awful?  I thought the consensus was Progressive was good, Alternative was meh.  Not that I paid much attention to the internet reception at the time, just people were asking for FLCL revivals along with Space Ghost and Boondocks, and they got one of those and were happy for a time.  My issue was Naota's entire absence outside the credits.  That was just strange.

Anyways, that's neither here nor there.  So neat to know I guess, though I'd rather have liked to see Haruhara Haruko, exceptionally much more as the token anime character slot over that RWBY bunk that's much more likely.  Something like IGPX, not that I expect a deep pull like that to show in a crossover like this, sounds like it'd have higher chances of showing I guess.

I haven't read the whole little Superman 1 Million series in a dog's age, I just remember getting it because it was the new big thing at the time going on and I thought the Superman of the Future was the one in Sun for all those years?  Guess I'm just forgetting but I thought they made a big deal over the generations the Superman of that time had gained some 13 additional senses beyond the traditional 5 human sense through a complicated set of family arrangements to continue the Kryptonian bloodline.  Then he left the Earth one day and just chilled out in the Sun after all his related kin died off and gained unlimited power and all that comic book jazz.  Eh.  Just writing it down off memory from a decade+ now sounds ridiculous and I'm sure you're correct.  I just like the golden Oscar Pepsiman set on fire design, it's silly.
    

Re: "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties)

 December 13, 2021, 01:51:05 am View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties) (Started by no1wammy October 28, 2021, 02:12:11 am
 Board: Fighting Games
The main issue that comes to me personally, outside accepting the weirdness of properties that don't mesh well aesthetically like Mad Max with Steven Universe, is how much filling in the roster with fan favorites and requests makes it mostly a Cartoon Network to Adult Swim game, plus some guests.  It'll likewise feel weird if this game ends up with Finn and Steven, but not sooooo many of CN's stars from all over the place.  From Dexter to Space Ghost to the Ed Boys to the Aqua Teens to Samurai Jack to Brock Samson to the Powerpuff Girls to I dunno, the damn Squidbillies.  And so-on and so-forth.  To say nothing of all the classic Warner cartoons the network was originally made to circulate until time immemorial.  Hell, that's also ignoring whatever deals they can cut through Toonami, that already gets them Thundercats and as I've heard a number of times Warner even partially owns Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.  So god knows what the hell they'll put from there.  Do they technically have a hold on Fooly Cooly?  Big O?  Any other anime they helped produce for Toonami?

Anyways, roster insanity speculation aside, I've seen this pic circulated as proof that one of Superman's costume, not the one on display of course but second in the lineup below is Superman 1 Million.

As cool and nerdy a pull as that would be, it doesn't exactly line up one-for-one with the guy.  Along with literally just being the first Superman pic copypasted which none of the other previews do, the chest symbol is all wrong.
    

Re: "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties)

 December 13, 2021, 01:14:24 am View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties) (Started by no1wammy October 28, 2021, 02:12:11 am
 Board: Fighting Games
Well, shoot.  Thought I had it cracked.  Ah well, maybe Rick will just ship with the game with a weirdly lower-res character profile picture than the rest.  Guess we'll see soon enough.
    

Re: "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties)

 December 13, 2021, 12:57:21 am View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties) (Started by no1wammy October 28, 2021, 02:12:11 am
 Board: Fighting Games
Isn't Pickle Rick all gory?  I don't know what the backstory was about that limited-time phenomenon, just whenever I see him with a body and not just a pickle it's made out of striped tendons of rat flesh and picked mostly clean bones.  I'm assuming he made arms and legs for his pickle body out of mutilated rats because story reasons, I dunno?

Kinda depends on what rating this game is going for.  The range in its case so far going from as tame as Scooby-Doo to as mature as Game of Thrones does muddy that water.  I'm assuming it'll land on a nice middle of the road T rating so it can probably get away with a toned down Pickle Rick minus the blood, probably sneak in some Mortal Kombat without completely defanging them too, but who knows at this point.

Also those seem fine alt. costumes, but don't particularly reach me as new default Rick attire.  Unless they for some reason just give him a whole new custom look for this game and call the lab coat "Classic Rick"?  Or again, the whole in-game model pictures are just holdover stand-ins before the game is completed.  Which is still a possibility at this point.

Wait.  One of the small handful of things I do recall of the little I've watched of Rick & Morty is the subversion that the cast that you're watching for nearly all of the show are not the original Rick and Morty.  The originals for the first few episodes were killed off and tossed aside and it scarred Morty for life or something to that degree.  Were they dressed any differently?  That'd explain the outfit discrepancy perhaps.
    

Re: "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties)

 December 12, 2021, 10:52:04 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties) (Started by no1wammy October 28, 2021, 02:12:11 am
 Board: Fighting Games
A possibility, given all the alt. costumes thus far have matched the same body type to their base whereas Fionna doesn't share Finn's body type.  I would just find it strange to include Cake, the spin-off side character of the main series side character, but not the same to AT's main character.  Meanwhile, Fionna doesn't exactly hold enough fandom sway to demand her inclusion as a separate character I'd imagine.  She for 98% of the show does not exist other than exactly as an in-universe made-up story and point against genderswapt characters, only to be given a vague shrug "Sure, it can be "canon" in an alt. universe" sort of answer in their last appearance from what I recall.  It has been a while since I've seen it, something to do with Ice King going mental trying to prove his conspiracy theory that he's on the same mental wavelength as another universe and he writes down their events as his dreams or something?

Anyways, Adventure Time is a weird show.  Moving on, seeing all those other costumes ended up using in-game models, now I wonder what the deal was with Rick Sanchez?  His picture is clearly not pre-rendered matching the quality of the rest of the cast, but it does look like it would be his in-game model.  But that lab coat is all he really wears, yeah?  I don't watch Rick & Morty, is there some other outfit he could be wearing as his default attire that's not the lab coat and vomit-stained undershirt?
    

Re: "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties)

 December 12, 2021, 07:19:40 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in "Multiversus" (Fighting game with Warner Bros. properties) (Started by no1wammy October 28, 2021, 02:12:11 am
 Board: Fighting Games
I noticed that while the default character pictures are your typical pre-rendered artwork, the alternative costumes all seem to just be action poses of their in-game models.

This stands out most particularly because young adult Steven Universe from SU Future that we saw in the first leak has a pre-rendered artwork.  This tells me either A)The alt. costume pics are temporary placeholders and are intended to be updated, or B) SU Future Steven is a separate character.  To what extent, I couldn't say, but it makes some sense.  The whole sequel series explored different powers that the kid Steven did not have, he had a different voice, and the height difference would look a little weird just making him a skin on kid Steven.  Hell the show's fanbase as a whole in-joke about SUF Steven's character progression showing in that he grew a neck since being a kid.

Anyways, beyond Steven, the choices look cool.  I'd assume if Cake was chosen for Jake that Fionna must be there for Finn as well.  Which I assumed from the get-go anyways but hey, more supporting evidence.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 December 07, 2021, 04:52:12 am View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
 Board: Entertainment
This match-up reminds me the DB team once, years before the Ultra Instinct meme was a thing, were looking to put Scooby-Doo or Shaggy in Death Battle.  I think it was Scooby versus Courage the Cowardly Dog?  That also resurfaced for one of their Cast episodes as well.  I forgot who Shaggy was supposed to fight but point being they wanted to do an episode really trying to get into the nitty-gritty of toon force and what beats it outside assuming all cartoons are related to Who Framed Roger Rabbit and weak to The Dip.  I guess they just shelved the whole idea until they wanted to touch on it to kill Deadpool with The Mask, but I kinda want to still see what they think is a reasonable way to out-science comedy.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 December 07, 2021, 12:44:12 am View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
 Board: Entertainment
Nothing physically.  There was that one time Popeye brought a man to suicide over all their zaniness if I'm recalling correctly, no?

No, I'm not recalling correctly, never mind.  Just looked it up again, it was a case of the guy was already suicidal, Popeye was trying to cheer him up, HIS zaniness got on Popeye's case and he murdered the guy as the episode's punchline.  Whoops.

Not that I'm a One Punch Man expert, but as far as I know, outside the intentionally loose guideline of Saitama's new upper limit can be whatever the situation demands, the limit that we do know of is ONE saying he'd be universal giving it his all at one point.  Which in a universe of building-level threats to utmost upper-limit planetary threats, yeah, that still comfortably leaves Saitama at many leagues above the rest without worry while still being a quantifiable level to place him at.  Something your Dragon Ball or Saint Seiya or Sailor Moon character would beat, those kinda of ridiculous multi-versal series, but most others would get wiped fighting against.

The weird part would be going off that example as your baseline durability feat, having to prove with a straight-face that Popeye in universal+.  I mean, toon force and all, but still.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 December 06, 2021, 10:37:04 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
 Board: Entertainment
That comparison doesn't hold much water....first off, they reexamined the two series and it seems they ranked Ichigo higher than before when they did his episode, so moot point.  But beyond that, Ichigo beat Aizen at a point when neither was near their full power shown off in the series, so that holds about as well as claiming in a Goku vs Vegeta match, Vegeta wins because he completely outclassed Goku....when they first met and Vegeta was only beaten through outside help.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 December 06, 2021, 09:43:11 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
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Yikes there's a lot I disagree with that last episode.  How did they possibly come up with Earth, Soul Society and Hueco Mundo being three Earths?  They literally gave Aizen the mountain feat that the episode takes, like, 10 minutes of outright explaining that Ichigo did, not Aizen.  They gave Madara's orbs a big emphasis, despite literally just being what Aizen's whole body and sword already does?

I really don't get why they lowball Bleach so much.  It's not like it's a top tier in powerscaling series, but jeez.

The next episode is weird because I thought they did their joke episode already.  Saitama is a parody/joke-ish character and Popeye is just a cartoon physics guy so you HAVE to take it as a joke like they did with The Mask.  I'm assuming they're doing it just because Popeye won't really die unless they can somehow prove it would be scientifically funny to have him die in a fight, that's how the whole toon thing works.  Which.....good luck?  Or else the point is to just kill off Saitama so people can stop overselling him, I dunno.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 December 03, 2021, 12:52:15 am View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
 Board: Entertainment
I'd assume one of the holdovers from the gap in Death Battle episodes covering Bleach was how everyone and their mother at the time was calling foul on how lowballed the Bleach universe's powerscaling and Ichigo, the de facto strongest character was minus deliberate cheating powers like Aizen and Yhwach.  So it really shouldn't even be a curbstomp with the victor decided over their tricks instead of raw power output.  Granted, a problem Bleach has when powerscaling is a lot of their huge accomplishments are vague.  Like Aizen stopping that time worm thing that can eat all of time and space.  That's a hard to quantify feat and is the reverse issue if you highball Aizen then as "Oh, well, all of space = Aizen is at least universal".

That all said, I don't particularly imagine Aizen has as much physical strength in comparison to Madara going by how chakra amps physical strength as well.  He was shocked at the Ichigo he fought that was a few steps down from his ultimate form could just wave his arm and vaporize a mountain range from the pressure alone, implying his power would not match.  But their spiritual/magical TNT range nonsense Death Battle loves to measure by is probably ridiculous.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 December 01, 2021, 11:21:36 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
 Board: Entertainment
That breakdown reminds me, Death Battle still equates all soul-based magic as one and the same across different media, don't they?  Like with Naruto and Ichigo how they find chakra and reishi to be the exact same, despite....very acutely not being so?  So Aizen is 100% composed of the stuff like all the Soul Reapers and Hollows and junk.  Dunno how that affects their organs and blood, because on paper it all just sounds like supernatural hardlight constructs from heaven.

I literally have no idea how the Soul Society functions with having children and future generations when they're also likewise unaging and stuck at the form they died in if they're souls transitioning from the human world to the afterlife, because it's not one of those "age to their specific potential prime then stop" deals as we know with Hitsugaya's whole weirdness of being a 10-year old with the mind of a 1000-year old except for his bankai or whatever randomly ages him some additional 15 years temporarily.  The whole background lore of Bleach is much more rule of cool and that's kinda Tite Kubo's whole M.O. since he started working on manga, but it makes my head hurt just thinking of the Soul Society's worldbuilding.  Then the last Bleach chapter throws in a time skip that only now the Soul Society decide to age the survivors a bit.  I'm forced to assume the implication is newborns coming from the other side of the life/afterlife boundary Soul Reapers just kinda age out of adolescence up to the point they just choose to stop at.  I don't know how else it works, and it being all afterlife magic nonsense that handwave excuse is as good as it needs really.

Anyways, this is a roundabout way to getting to say, Aizen hypothetically shouldn't have DNA or cells.  Or corporeal DNA, whatever, he doesn't have the thing Madara's whole eye jutsu deal works off of.  If they're doing the soul energy composite deal like Naruto/Ichigo, Aizen to Madara, if he can even sense the guy, should just be a humanoid-shaped ball of fire to him.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 November 29, 2021, 08:28:44 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
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Hm, so the war fan he uses isn't a bansho fan knock-off, he's not wind element based?  I figured from gameplay stuff I've seen he could flap it and cause hurricanes like the one from Dragon Ball.  It works more like, well, Reflect from Kingdom Hearts comes to mind.  Blocks anything, sends the energy back twice-fold.  Wonder why he even bothers wearing armor then?

I dunno, it's just the mini-rundown but he doesn't particularly wow me from the Naruto stuff I've seen.  On the other hand, I find DB's take on Naruto himself having more chakra than the monster locked in him whose whole point was to be his chakra well and it's enough to destroy the moon weirdly overselling him, so eh, what do I know.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 November 29, 2021, 02:50:00 am View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
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That doesn't particularly tell me much....except the Uchiha thing.  Which shouldn't matter much, Aizen is a Soul Reaper.  A ghost.  Unless the Naruto series has shown feats of specific mind manipulation on ethereal objects, i.e. ghosts, all those little mind games won't work.  Similarly, the whole reason the Naruto/Ichigo fight was able to get off the ground was that Naruto had to have some sort of loophole to even see Ichigo as Soul Reapers are invisible to the mortal plane.  If Madara lacks that, then he's automatically handicapped fighting something he has no presence of.

The tailed beasts never seemed that big a threat in comparison to monsters of the Bleach universe.  The Nine-Tailed one that lives in Naruto or the sand one in Garra was freaking town-levels of destruction.  But as the series went on I got a general consensus of power inflation so I'm sure that they're at least not THAT weak anymore.  Because those things are literally what Ichigo and Uryu fought way early on in Bleach, before the whole series took a turn in tone with the Soul Society, one of those Grande Hollows is about that level of destruction.

Also it just occurred to me that I never caught Burn the Witch like I meant to and that may be brought up sharing the same Bleach unvierse and whoops.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 November 28, 2021, 04:14:22 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
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Anyways, not a fan of some things in this one, moving on to the next.  Time for them to finally reevaluate the Bleach series after the Naruto/Ichigo one left Ichigo at a hilariously lowballed level of "blowing up California".  I still have no idea how they got it so low as that.  But this isn't Ichigo, it's Aizen.  And as for the other dude, I simply did not follow Naruto long enough for Madara to be introduced.  So what the hell is his deal?  All I know of him is when he appears in crossover Shonen Jump press stuff, so as far as I know his abilities are wind and necromancy based I think?  Otherwise I'm in the dark.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 November 09, 2021, 01:58:52 am View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
 Board: Entertainment
Well, yes and no.  As an Avatar, she knows airbending, though it was the whole background plot of the first season that airbending was specifically the one type she was terrible at understanding because its teachings were in direct conflict with her beliefs and understandings.  Kinda a non-issue after that though, really, because she pushed through when dealing with the first season's antagonist and got the hang of it since then.

Skillset to skillset, an Avatar to Storm are fairly comparable if not directly the same.  An Avatar would get more actual terra firma control plus fire and lighting control and energybending which is essentially controlling others souls.  Storm would get more, well, weather related effects.  Its the extent of how far they can push their control that's up for question, because as you say being a comic book character Storm is much more diversely written and contrarian to previous feats just by nature of the platform.  And Korra you'd have to establish what the greatest benders are capable of, how much the Avatar State puts one above them, and how much that correlates with an Avatar bending the Spirit World.  Plus Korra's whole kaiju form and whatnot that I'm forgetting.

It was brought up prior that Storm terraformed a planet, I'd assume through really high pressure rains, but Toph at her prime was also stated to be able to manipulate the Earth and find anyone anywhere on it, so if nothing else, I'd assume Korra's Avatar State earthbending is a notch above terraforming Storm.  But that's all guesswork, I'm not an Avarar encyclopedia and only followed X-Men for so long.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 November 09, 2021, 01:17:11 am View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
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Worthwhile reminder, as per the Death Battle Cast of people who work there themselves, they're quite open that traditionally, if you were to take mostly any video game series protagonist and put them in a Death Battle with their antagonist with Death Battle rules, the protagonist would lose the vast majority of times.  I believe they brought this up following the Ganon/Dracula episode where they proclaim any Ganon would defeat all the Links without their own plot armor, similar to any Dracula to any Belmont.  No real different with Liu Kang to Shao Kahn, he wins in the games because the Hero needs to overcome the impossible adversity.  Drop them in a Death Battle, Shao Kahn gloats once, gets bicycle kicked, then crushes and rolls up Liu Kang into a little flesh basketball and shoots a 2-pointer.

Not too many big name series/characters that go against this, thinking on it.  I guess Samus to Ridley, Ridley's never had a chance, he's just real good at hanging on to dear life.
    

Re: Death Battle (And sprite fight animations)

 November 08, 2021, 11:46:12 pm View in topic context
 Posted by Long John Killer  in Death Battle (And sprite fight animations) (Started by Long John Killer April 09, 2015, 03:59:16 am
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To be fair, Kitana didn't just win "with ease".  She won after Shao Kahn had to already fought with Kotal Kahn, which likewise was not easy for him.  He lost to her when he was not at his best.  That said, Kitana being superhuman and all, it still came across as quite the stretch having her win.

Liu Kang outright has Nintendium-grade plot armor.  He really shouldn't be able to do what he does, but his clothes must be made out of sewn 4-leaf clovers and colored with leprechaun blood because GOD is he lucky.  And faithful so his faith is rewarded and yadda yadda, but still.
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