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Started by courte2, January 10, 2008, 06:45:14 am
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#241  January 19, 2008, 06:27:59 am
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LOL holy crap, calm down. I didn't mean anything by it, don't take it as an insult or anything. I was just saying that this WHOLE debate about racism isn't even about video games anymore. >_> Don't need to bite my head off, I love black guys.
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Re: A touchy Topic
#242  January 19, 2008, 05:11:13 pm
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LOL holy crap, calm down. I didn't mean anything by it, don't take it as an insult or anything. I was just saying that this WHOLE debate about racism isn't even about video games anymore. >_> Don't need to bite my head off, I love black guys.
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Re: A touchy Topic
#243  January 20, 2008, 07:40:42 pm
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Some nice entries made here so far, regardless if they're ridiculously off-topic.

I'm not going to tire myself out and debate my views as if this were an episode of Charlie Rose.....so, I'll throw this in. This is a (ramblin-ass) letter I sent to EGM a month or two ago in regards to their article about video game maturity. I'm re-reading some of it right now....some of my views I made, well, I have a different outlook on them now. Anyway, I think the subject matter is slightly inclinded with the discussions going on here.

Make of it what you will:
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Read it, and I gotta say that I agree and disagee.
The 6th ('summary') paragraph has some very arguable points, like the ones about Politicians, and it takes an uninformed, or else evasive, voting populace as well as a surface-reading writer to focus on Politicians  :-\ (That was the best way i could write that. I am sorry if that came ff badly, but you know you have my Respect anyday.). I won't get into more. I tought overall it was very well written and had some very, very good/logical points. +1


Thanks. I've bowed out from this thread. Too time consuming to debate over.  :-X
Re: A touchy Topic
#244  January 21, 2008, 10:57:45 pm
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Couldn't make sense out of the last part of that, but are you kidding me? Hip Hop is okay. Anything is okay. Just give substance!
Substance I say!


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Rap is only one of the Art forms to Hip Hop. If somebody thinks hip hop is miseducating kids the you have another coming. If anything ITs one of the Last Avenues that can be use to actually reach the kids. Thank the Industry Big Wigs who only allow the trash you hear on the radio that make you think something is wrong with the art form. Right now if 50 Cents says eat your Carrots and you will be able to Flow like me and be strong what you think most kids and some idiotic grown ups will do?
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Did i ever say hip hop was'nt okay? Aeom Are you Serious? Hip hop is in everything we do now (Atleast me.). Hip-Hop is so commercial that you have no choice but to get down with the movement.Sometimes you bop your head to a Jingle on a commercial nowing damn well its bogus. When you see beer and credit card commercials with dudes Breakdancing you already knew it was mainstream. Years ago no major coorperate company would'nt even thought about using hip hop for advertisement. Once it became commerical its in everything from Animes to Car commercials.
All i did was say that Rap is one part to the 4 elements of Hip-Hop. Matter of fact i doubt you even know what they are Aeom.
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Fads or not, mainstream rappers and underground artists get typecast in their own bullshit that they continue to preach. Guess that's why I prefer the originators of HipHop more: the DJs 


True indeed but nowadays some DJ's just can't stay their ass in the Background anymore(Dj Khaled).That Guy always looks like he's mad at the world. Sometimes he looks harder than the artist rapping.


meh. I refuse to conform. I'll listen to something with meaning. Give me a little substance, and you're fine. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't just talk about drugs and guns and violence and explicit matters !! even if you through something about how much you love this lovely girl whose so great for bearing your sorry self because she cares for you, it'd be fine!! ANYTHING THAT IS TOUCHING!!!


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And that your opinion and i respect it all the way. As far as i go We are satiring the N-word everyday. I'd Be lying if i said i don't use it but i would never use it up here cause it not the place. Its common in my vocab but best believe i know how to curb the word.


But look, you use the N-word as a word for friend. At one time Southern White Redeemers used the word to describe their SLAVES!!! It's a derogatory term towards black people. It's offensive to everyone. It's like a signal between KKK members that it's okay to talk about lynchings. Or, was, anyway. Now it's just another word. Like swear words. Now, imagine if we take this example and put it on every race...i can't think of any racial slurs at the moment...but just imagine, soon, we'll all be calling each other through random slurs...calling vietnamese people by one name, french by another...you know what i'm trying to get at?
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Read it, and I gotta say that I agree and disagee.
The 6th ('summary') paragraph has some very arguable points, like the ones about Politicians, and it takes an uninformed, or else evasive, voting populace as well as a surface-reading writer to focus on Politicians  :-\ (That was the best way i could write that. I am sorry if that came ff badly, but you know you have my Respect anyday.). I won't get into more. I tought overall it was very well written and had some very, very good/logical points. +1

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Thanks. I've bowed out from this thread. Too time consuming to debate over.  :-X

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Re: A touchy Topic
#245  January 21, 2008, 11:10:07 pm
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But look, you use the N-word as a word for friend. At one time Southern White Redeemers used the word to describe their SLAVES!!!
Err... Many terms have evolved through years and have had their meaning completely changed.
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Now, imagine if we take this example and put it on every race
Like... Froggies etc. ? Those are terms that haven't actually evolved much. Whereas you can just go in the street and many people will just say "yo mah nigga" and they'll be meaning "brother".

Not that I like the term as far as I'm concerned. But that's what people do of it. It has changed.
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#246  January 22, 2008, 11:03:48 pm
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Err... Many terms have evolved through years and have had their meaning completely changed.
Yes, in some parts...the most important thing is, that if this word becomes a word for brother and love and peace and all that,
wouldn't that just be a little offensive??
and it's not that it's just for brother. It's only brother if another person who you identify with calls you it, like a friend or another black person.
Let me take the example of that one teacher guy...i can't remember the name...beginning of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUGjbu2ZK80

That guy didn't even mean the word, he was just making fun of the student! Well, look, it's still offensive :)
even today people don't like the word...but i'll leave the preaching to jesse jackson:P

you're missing my real point though. I really only have something against what (most) rap is promoting:
Sex and Drugs. GET SOME ORIGINAL IDEAS!! As I said, over and over, if you give some substance, I'm okay with it.
Even Vandross had romance!!
just don't give me mind boggling crap.
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#247  January 23, 2008, 12:15:36 am
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That guy didn't even mean the word, he was just making fun of the student! Well, look, it's still offensive
Yeah... The meaning of a word changes with the person who is saying it. If it's said while meant as a regular word, there's no need to flip out about racism.
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you're missing my real point though.
Nah, I was only elaborating something that was mentionned. You can resume your actual point.

And I like neither rap nor the term nigger.
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#248  January 23, 2008, 12:24:58 am
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i don't mind rap, but mostly because it's inintelligible and i can't make out the lyrics anyway.
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#249  January 23, 2008, 01:47:55 am
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For me, rap is fast-talking, not really singing because it doesn't require any singing ability or vocal range. I like rap but I don't like American rap. Rap exists in other languages as well, and I prefer it in things like Korean and Chinese (because I can understand it too and they don't use curse words every second sentence).

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I really only have something against what (most) rap is promoting: Sex and Drugs.
That's also one of my main gripes with rap. Not only do I find most rap songs painfully repetitive, I don't get why they can't talk about something else. I'm not saying every single rap song is about the same thing, but the majority and the most popular ones are about the same thing.

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#250  January 23, 2008, 01:52:03 am
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#251  January 23, 2008, 08:24:56 pm
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For me, rap is fast-talking, not really singing because it doesn't require any singing ability or vocal range. I like rap but I don't like American rap. Rap exists in other languages as well, and I prefer it in things like Korean and Chinese (because I can understand it too and they don't use curse words every second sentence).

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I really only have something against what (most) rap is promoting: Sex and Drugs.
That's also one of my main gripes with rap. Not only do I find most rap songs painfully repetitive, I don't get why they can't talk about something else. I'm not saying every single rap song is about the same thing, but the majority and the most popular ones are about the same thing.

Do you mean U.S. residents, or Canadians, or Mexicans, or Venezulanos, Colombians, Hondurans, Panamanians, Nicaruanios, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Haitian, Carribeaner, Native Americans, Eskimos, Black, African American, N-worded person, MexicanAmerican, Aztec Descendant-Mexican resident, AngloAmerican, Appalachians, Menonites or Amish, Hebrew, Arab American, Chinese American, PhilipeenAmerican, JapaneseAmerican, any other General Asian american i havent mentioned [Im going to stop here] ETC ETC
 
Or the fact that their is over a thousand variations of rap reaching as crappy as KFed, to the Wacky WeirdAL,  the gangsta FityCent, or the pimpin SnoopDeeOhDubleGee?

Dont generalize America, makes you look more ignorant than the people who call themselves "from America" and then expects everyone else to accept it as the truth.


And for the Repetetive part:
In US terms its called Brainwashing or "Mental Conditioning to Hardship Experience Training and Memoralization Techniques", thats why most hiphop or rap fans usually can recite the lyrics, becuase it only takes a few times to repeat a phrase before its permantely memorized. The US Army taught Me that ;D
Thats really ironic that rap artists are actually using a tactic that the US Govt invented.
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#252  January 23, 2008, 08:32:29 pm
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And for the Repetetive part:
In US terms its called Brainwashing or "Mental Conditioning to Hardship Experience Training and Memoralization Techniques", thats why most hiphop or rap fans usually can recite the lyrics, becuase it only takes a few times to repeat a phrase before its permantely memorized. The US Army taught Me that ;D
Thats really ironic that rap artists are actually using a tactic that the US Govt invented.

i am prety sure that the us govt did not invetn that at all.
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#254  January 24, 2008, 01:42:54 am
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I'm pretty sure you knew what I meant when I said American rap. What do you want me to call it next time? Black rap? Popular rap? Gangster rap?
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#255  January 24, 2008, 01:55:53 am
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#256  January 24, 2008, 03:19:21 am
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Underground is where it's at.
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#257  January 24, 2008, 06:02:58 am
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I'm pretty sure you knew what I meant when I said American rap. What do you want me to call it next time? Black rap? Popular rap? Gangster rap?
American Rap = Crunk + Crap.

I call it Crump.

As far as mainstream "rap" in America goes (at least today and for the past 5 years or so), musically it's all about shitty overly-repetitive drum machines, and one repetitive synth note (sometimes two) mixed in with said drum machine.

Lyrically speaking, there is no substance whatsoever, unless you call "I got mo' money d3n u" or "I fuk mo' bitchez d3n u" or simply "I b3tta d3n u" substance.  The current mainstream rap scene in this country is the saddest thing I've seen happen to music while I've been alive. 

Fact: Members of boy bands from the last decade had far more talent than mainstream rappers do today.
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Using that logic:
Underground simply has a better batting average than mainstream.

I find that more of the 'underground' genre is tolerable than the 'mainstream' genre.
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#260  January 25, 2008, 12:10:02 am
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For me, rap is fast-talking, not really singing because it doesn't require any singing ability or vocal range. I like rap but I don't like "Mainstream" American Rap. Rap exists in other languages as well, and I prefer it in things like Korean and Chinese (because I can understand it too and they don't use curse words every second sentence).

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Do you mean U.S. residents, or Canadians, or Mexicans, or Venezulanos, Colombians, Hondurans, Panamanians, Nicaruanios, Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Haitian, Carribeaner, Native Americans, Eskimos, Black, African American, N-worded person, MexicanAmerican, Aztec Descendant-Mexican resident, AngloAmerican, Appalachians, Menonites or Amish, Hebrew, Arab American, Chinese American, PhilipeenAmerican, JapaneseAmerican, any other General Asian american i havent mentioned [Im going to stop here] ETC ETC
 
Or the fact that their is over a thousand variations of rap reaching as crappy as KFed, to the Wacky WeirdAL,  the gangsta FityCent, or the pimpin SnoopDeeOhDubleGee?

Dont generalize America, makes you look more ignorant than the people who call themselves "from America" and then expects everyone else to accept it as the truth.


And for the Repetetive part:
In US terms its called Brainwashing or "Mental Conditioning to Hardship Experience Training and Memoralization Techniques", thats why most hiphop or rap fans usually can recite the lyrics, becuase it only takes a few times to repeat a phrase before its permantely memorized. The US Army taught Me that ;D
Thats really ironic that rap artists are actually using a tactic that the US Govt invented.[/spoiler]
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