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Re: Bringing Reu's characters to the new Mugen
#21  October 10, 2009, 02:46:19 am
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I hope you update the voices of the Evil Duo.  We all know Evil Ken's voice sounds stupid albeit unfortunately iconic ("...ow" for a KO voice, what joy), and Evil Ryu's voice wasn't perfectly ripped (I know one voice clip that got cut off).

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#22  October 10, 2009, 05:08:29 am
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Well this thing about the 'New Mugen' Sound pretty serious to me  o_O, I hope you update then in a CvS sprite set, that would be awesome  :sugoi:

Yoma's BBHood said, October 10, 2009, 02:46:19 am
I hope you update the voices of the Evil Duo.  We all know Evil Ken's voice sounds stupid albeit unfortunately iconic ("...ow" for a KO voice, what joy), and Evil Ryu's voice wasn't perfectly ripped (I know one voice clip that got cut off).

That's my favourite character voice ever!! always wandered about the source...

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#23  October 10, 2009, 01:39:10 pm
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Thedge said, October 10, 2009, 02:27:21 am
This thread is slowly becoming a mini-elecbyte forum, "pleeeeeeease, add this, pleeeeease, do that" without even knowing what is going on, I just hope Vyx wont came here and advertise his HD Dragon Claw in real pixel size.
Most suggestions are spot-on, actually, I don't see people being unreasonable (except CvS spriteset there >_<).

Yoma's BBHood said, October 10, 2009, 02:46:19 am
I hope you update the voices of the Evil Duo.  We all know Evil Ken's voice sounds stupid albeit unfortunately iconic ("...ow" for a KO voice, what joy), and Evil Ryu's voice wasn't perfectly ripped (I know one voice clip that got cut off).
Fixing Ryu's rips sounds good, but changing Ken's voice is one of those design changes I rather not do.
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#24  October 10, 2009, 02:22:42 pm
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Thedge said, October 10, 2009, 02:27:21 am
This thread is slowly becoming a mini-elecbyte forum, "pleeeeeeease, add this, pleeeeease, do that" without even knowing what is going on, I just hope Vyx wont came here and advertise his HD Dragon Claw in real pixel size.

Anyway, to make it short, fix what's broken, like the cloning that tend to happen with Dragon Claw, dont remember exactly wich helper it was.

with the only difference that PotS actually replies  ;P
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#25  October 10, 2009, 05:32:45 pm
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PotS said, October 10, 2009, 01:39:10 pm
Fixing Ryu's rips sounds good, but changing Ken's voice is one of those design changes I rather not do.

I can be fine with EK's voice, provided you change his KO voice.  Instead of "...ow" (it's just so insanely stupid, I rage just thinking about it), how about using and warping Hugo's KO voice (his voice was originally Hugo's, after all)?

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#26  October 10, 2009, 06:21:26 pm
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#27  October 10, 2009, 06:53:43 pm
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PotS said, October 10, 2009, 01:39:10 pm
Thedge said, October 10, 2009, 02:27:21 am
This thread is slowly becoming a mini-elecbyte forum, "pleeeeeeease, add this, pleeeeease, do that" without even knowing what is going on, I just hope Vyx wont came here and advertise his HD Dragon Claw in real pixel size.
Most suggestions are spot-on, actually, I don't see people being unreasonable (except CvS spriteset there >_<).

Yoma's BBHood said, October 10, 2009, 02:46:19 am
I hope you update the voices of the Evil Duo.  We all know Evil Ken's voice sounds stupid albeit unfortunately iconic ("...ow" for a KO voice, what joy), and Evil Ryu's voice wasn't perfectly ripped (I know one voice clip that got cut off).
Fixing Ryu's rips sounds good, but changing Ken's voice is one of those design changes I rather not do.

Well while surfing on the youtube i found some crappy "God Ryu" that has all the edits of Reu's EvilRyu converted to CvS in a pretty neat way IMO, and a "God Ken" that has plenty of the edits of EvilKen... maybe they are both made by the same guy, so its not that unreasonable, and is only just a suggestion  ;P

Yoma's BBHood said, October 10, 2009, 05:32:45 pm
PotS said, October 10, 2009, 01:39:10 pm
Fixing Ryu's rips sounds good, but changing Ken's voice is one of those design changes I rather not do.

I can be fine with EK's voice, provided you change his KO voice.  Instead of "...ow" (it's just so insanely stupid, I rage just thinking about it), how about using and warping Hugo's KO voice (his voice was originally Hugo's, after all)?

That "...ow" its the cherry on top of the cake that the voice pack of EvilKen is  :sugoi:

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#28  October 10, 2009, 09:30:09 pm
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[I hope you update the voices of the Evil Duo.  We all know Evil Ken's voice sounds stupid albeit unfortunately iconic ("...ow" for a KO voice, what joy), and Evil Ryu's voice wasn't perfectly ripped (I know one voice clip that got cut off).
Fixing Ryu's rips sounds good, but changing Ken's voice is one of those design changes I rather not do.

Wouldn't Violent Ken's voice work well?

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#29  October 10, 2009, 10:09:33 pm
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Most suggestions are spot-on, actually, I don't see people being unreasonable (except CvS spriteset there >_<).

Heh, I actually recall Reu wanting to update the evil duo in CvS form, but couldn't find anyone to sprite for him... Just saying. :dead:
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#30  October 10, 2009, 10:35:42 pm
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Will it be only for New Mugen?

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#31  October 10, 2009, 10:38:53 pm
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Teros said, October 10, 2009, 10:09:33 pm
PotS said, October 10, 2009, 01:39:10 pm
Most suggestions are spot-on, actually, I don't see people being unreasonable (except CvS spriteset there >_<).

Heh, I actually recall Reu wanting to update the evil duo in CvS form, but couldn't find anyone to sprite for him... Just saying. :dead:
But he never could, and now , without him supervising the animation, it would be like, a totally different char.
Why not just upgrade his old alpha sprites? Ryu could even use more intros in the same vein.

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#32  October 10, 2009, 10:56:52 pm
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then how about this: just make the cvs "evil duo" sprites a tribute to Reu ;D

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#33  October 10, 2009, 11:11:12 pm
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Iced said, October 10, 2009, 10:38:53 pm
Why not just upgrade his old alpha sprites? Ryu could even use more intros in the same vein.
Why not just remaking the whole Evil Duo instead? Take the ideas of the design you like, and... make a new one. It's not like you couldn't, or that there aren't sprites floating around. Heck, PotS' Ryu already has an 'Evil' mode.

Just saying.

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#34  October 11, 2009, 12:17:40 am
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Changing sprites or voices: again I still want the characters to be the Reu characters we know, don't want to go around changing that much.

Yoma's BBHood said, October 10, 2009, 05:32:45 pm
I can be fine with EK's voice, provided you change his KO voice.  Instead of "...ow" (it's just so insanely stupid, I rage just thinking about it), how about using and warping Hugo's KO voice (his voice was originally Hugo's, after all)?
That could work.  Or that "ow" with CvS echo.

Julius said, October 10, 2009, 09:30:09 pm
Wouldn't Violent Ken's voice work well?
Nah, Violent Ken and Reu's vision have different grooves going on.

Psycho Krusher said, October 10, 2009, 10:35:42 pm
Will it be only for New Mugen?
Yeah.  Shouldn't be too hard to change them back to old Mugen though.


I've been doing some fixes today and ran into a visual one.  I think the duo doesn't really flash the two different stances as much as they could, since you won't hold on to a full bar for long in an actual match, so I made them just use the old stances when they're more active (attacking, dashing, getting hurt) and go into the new ones when more relaxed.  How does that sound?
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#35  October 11, 2009, 12:19:45 am
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How about holding onto the new stances once they have one bar charged instead?

one more thing, is it possible to create an effect when they are both "close" to one another where energy arcs between them?
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#36  October 11, 2009, 12:27:03 am
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Apart from the AI, will you make them more or less the same strength as your characters ?

Evil Ken's multi Shoryuken (where he spins and you mash buttons to add hits) is really overpowered, even more than all his other attacks. Consider toning it down a whole lot.

Cut down priority on some moves. I believe Evil Ryu's Hadouken shouldn't go through another hadouken so easily.

About Dragon Claw, some of his sprites have bad transparency, especially the stance, which has transparent pixels in the torso. You might want to fix that.

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#37  October 11, 2009, 12:34:15 am
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The above pretty much sums up what could be done to improve the characters without too much tampering of the gameplay systems, though, there's one thing that reu wanted to add, namely, more interaction between the two characters. team intros, winposes, moves and super moves.

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#38  October 11, 2009, 12:42:36 am
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Iced said, October 11, 2009, 12:19:45 am
one more thing, is it possible to create an effect when they are both "close" to one another where energy arcs between them?
that's adddiiinnnnggg :bigcry:

Inglourious CyBasterd said, October 11, 2009, 12:27:03 am
Apart from the AI, will you make them more or less the same strength as your characters ?
Depends on the comparison point, might end up close to Shin Gouki.

Inglourious CyBasterd said, October 11, 2009, 12:27:03 am
Evil Ken's multi Shoryuken (where he spins and you mash buttons to add hits) is really overpowered, even more than all his other attacks. Consider toning it down a whole lot.

Cut down priority on some moves. I believe Evil Ryu's Hadouken shouldn't go through another hadouken so easily.
Already handled both examples. :thumbsup:
Am considering making the fireballs stop for a while every time they eat another one instead of just taking one hit, though, will see about that.

Inglourious CyBasterd said, October 11, 2009, 12:27:03 am
About Dragon Claw, some of his sprites have bad transparency, especially the stance, which has transparent pixels in the torso. You might want to fix that.
Yeah.  Should be easy to handle, even if boring. >_<


Does anyone else think the random chance for MSSM moves can both get in the way sometimes and make room for hail maries that shouldn't exist in fighting games (i.e. lucky shots)?
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#39  October 11, 2009, 12:46:49 am
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I think that was the point of them.
To give you a roullete lucky shot that wouldnt happen usually, its unbalanced but its one of the dangers of facing the evil duo, theres one in eight chances the move they do next turns out even more powerful than normal, and the odds grow bigger as they cancel moves.

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#40  October 11, 2009, 03:29:46 am
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PotS said, October 09, 2009, 09:54:12 pm
I also have two requests to make:
- Mugen Institute doesn't seem to be working here and I think I only have Evil Ken's intro on an old PC, would be nice to have it again.  Maybe someone else would like to update it though?  I've only done one storyboard in my life to see how stuff worked.

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