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[Hephaistos31]

See, man! His problem is just because you earn money!! I told you. It's the point!
Think about my PM.

[Jango]

I did not take another person's work like that. I even stated in my thread that if anyone wanted me to commission me, be it a char made fully or edit that I would do it. So people already knew what they wanted to do prior to that.

Editing another person's character should NEVER even be considered as part of a legitimate commission.

I noted GM's stuff in my read me but forgot to mention Crosscat as I had forgotten to. But that's it

How convenient.

So all this stuff your saying is irrelavant. And since you want to come in my thread cursin

FUCK YOU! Its people like you that give mugen a bad name, and its the reason why we're so divided in the first place.

The only division here is between people who will blindly defend you regardless of circumstances, and those who don't. Guess which side I'm on?

Your just taking things way to serious,   if you had a problem,  you could lf resolved it tru pm
Instead of posting videos, that to me is a bitch move.

When money is exchanged, things ARE serious. 

To say hes "fucking disgusting" for how he coded a character shows that you need to chill the
Fuck of mugen for a while its not that serious,   yeah he gets paid for coding chars but was that your
Commision?  No then just shut the fuck up,  let whoever paid the cash to bring up issues about it
If he was not happy.

And again you're missing the point. If he's using assets from somebody else's work and getting paid for it, it's unethical and wrong.

See, man! His problem is just because you earn money!! I told you. It's the point!
Think about my PM.

Good lord I keep repeating the problem, and you all continue to ignore it.

[rednavi -RETIRED]

I guess the sprite and animation files are from GM too? Because I recall seeing you saying that you don't play the games but watch videos instead to get the speed of the moves. So I guess it would be alright if I got paid 50 bucks to fix this Tizoc and release it as mine (With credits of course) then?

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My fix would be to just overwrite all files with GM's Tizoc though.

[R@CE AKIR@]

But its not like that all.  Plus look at this

Ok well then its settled.

If any of you guys may be interested in me editing a character into one of those styles or making one from scratch, drop me a pm

Only if your serious tho. And trust me im good on it. Plus I wont even charge that much at all.

Remember this? And not everything I did was a commision

Yamazaki, Batsu, Rasetsumaru. Marco etc...

[Hephaistos31]

If someone is ready to pay you for this why not, Red?
But I highly doubt that someone will buy something to you...

After, men I understand your point. I'm not kidding.
For the good, Race should contact each people he is taking stuff (same minor parts), tell him for his deal, give him some part of the bucks he owns, ect ect.
It's normal. But your bashing process isn't. This is unacceptable.

This is more an issue that could be resolved, but not like that.

[Gritsmaster]

Now let's all be civil, everyone.

Jango, if you felt a certain way about how R@CE conducted his business, no matter how minor I think we can all agree that a PM at least INITIALLY would've been more appropriate (and less dramatic). You've been here a lot longer than all of us, so the fact that you lost your shit and made a whole video out of spite or beef with someone who you (at least to my knowledge) never DIRECTLY spoke to is a bit...shocking. We younger bloods look up to you, this was out of line.

R@CE, while I definitely don't 100% agree with lifting code (even if you gave credit), you already said you were done. Be the bigger person here, shouting "fuck you" to people who have a problem with you isn't at all going to solve anything. If you're done, you're done. He said his biggest problem was that you were making money from stolen code. While a bit exaggerated, if you're taking an extended break from making characters, then there shouldn't be a problem in the first place.


And everyone else, come the fuck on. Stop adding fuel to the fire. Insulting people because they don't agree with you is mindless. I can't see a world where this whole mess doesn't get shit-threaded at the rate it's going.

[Trololo]

See, man! His problem is just because you earn money!! I told you. It's the point!
Think about my PM.

Yeah, I also not agree with money using in mugen.
But I'm not throwing shit in the fan about it and don't trying to expel from MUGEN for this!

[R@CE AKIR@]

If someone is ready to pay you for this why not, Red?
But I higly doubt that someone will buy something to you...

Thats not the point.

All i did was use some grab coding, and now suddenly I'm bad SMH...

[Jmorphman]

But that right there.... that is the main reason why we dont have no where near as many people like we did back in 07 in mugen

I'm sorry but that's just hilariously not true. It's objectively false. Not only was 2007 one of the worst times in this community, but this year we had a MUGEN fullgame being played at EVO. The community today is thriving, and getting bigger every day. It's nonsensical to pine for the days when someone would be made a pariah for the slightest of imaginary infractions, where people like Warner were booed out of the community.

[Rabite]

Isn't using someone else's work (without them knowing or giving permission) fraudulent? Or at the very least lacking any sort of courtesy? Whatever else I think of Jango (which isn't very highly) I agree with him. This is some grade A bullshit. If it were free that'd be one thing. But getting paid AND taking the easy way out? I wouldn't be happy if I were to pay for something and got someone else's work.

[Trololo]

Now let's all be civil, everyone.

Jango, if you felt a certain way about how R@CE conducted his business, no matter how minor I think we can all agree that a PM at least INITIALLY would've been more appropriate (and less dramatic). You've been here a lot longer than all of us, so the fact that you lost your shit and made a whole video out of spite or beef with someone who you (at least to my knowledge) never DIRECTLY spoke to is a bit...shocking. We younger bloods look up to you, this was out of line.

R@CE, while I definitely don't 100% agree with lifting code (even if you gave credit), you already said you were done. Be the bigger person here, shouting "fuck you" to people who have a problem with you isn't at all going to solve anything. If you're done, you're done. He said his biggest problem was that you were making money from stolen code. While a bit exaggerated, if you're taking an extended break from making characters, then there shouldn't be a problem in the first place.


And everyone else, come the fuck on. Stop adding fuel to the fire. Insulting people because they don't agree with you is mindless. I can't see a world where this whole mess doesn't get shit-threaded at the way it's going.

Well...
Maybe you're right. It's not a anonymous imageboards for breeding here scandal.

[Umezono]

let him do what he wants to do. obviously he does not agree with the sort of response he gets here from certain members. though i wish he had a thicker skin towards criticism and feedback, its his decision to make how he wants to live.

i will say people who pay 50 dollars for edits of free work should reevaluate how they spend money. and i personally think it is bad form to charge money for edits.

ps. on the video vs. the pm thing, why is it only a problem now to have videos calling out terrible things in characters. there are tons of those made by guild members but i dont see any outrage. making a video like that is perfectly okay.

[R@CE AKIR@]

But that right there.... that is the main reason why we dont have no where near as many people like we did back in 07 in mugen

I'm sorry but that's just hilariously not true. It's objectively false. Not only was 2007 one of the worst times in this community, but this year we had a MUGEN fullgame being played at EVO. The community today is thriving, and getting bigger every day. It's nonsensical to pine for the days when someone would be made a pariah for the slightest of imaginary infractions, where people like Warner were booed out of the community.

Yeah, it was a rough time too, but it was alot of people around

[Rabite]

Thats not the point.

All i did was use some grab coding, and now suddenly I'm bad SMH...

"All I did was steal someone else's work, put my name on it then sell it and now people are calling me a thief? THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!"

[Jmorphman]

Yeah, it was a rough time too, but it was alot of people around

There's more people around now; there's more things being made now. There has never been a better time to be creating things than now.

[Do not even ask]

If someone is ready to pay you for this why not, Red?
But I highly doubt that someone will buy something to you...

rednavi refuses to take any commissions until he's finally done his 2048 color split kula sprites for koopakoot

[Hephaistos31]

Nice to hear this, Do not even ask.

After, men I understand your point. I'm not kidding.
For the good, Race should contact each people he is taking stuff (same minor parts), tell him for his deal, give him some part of the bucks he owns, ect ect.
It's normal. But your bashing process isn't. This is unacceptable.
You just could try to explain it earlier before making some epic ass thread like you're all doing now..
This is more an issue that could be resolved, but not like that.

After, how to contact each people involved in a project char?
That's the point?
And what about the fact that people are READY to PAY for something like that?

[R@CE AKIR@]

Thats not the point.

All i did was use some grab coding, and now suddenly I'm bad SMH...

"All I did was steal someone else's work and put my name on it and now people are calling me a thief? THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!"

Thats not true at all but if you want to keep thinking that then its whatever. Cus i have always gave credit where its due.

and the only time I have used something like that was on Griffon and I used it so that I could get the proper grabs down. And I had to fix them too because they needed fixing as well

So it wasnt like I just used it, I adjusted it too because they had some issues

I never hid it, I never lied about it at all. So whatever man.

[Rabite]

Thats not the point.

All i did was use some grab coding, and now suddenly I'm bad SMH...

"All I did was steal someone else's work and put my name on it and now people are calling me a thief? THAT'S NOT FAIR!!!"

Thats not true at all but if you want to keep thinking that then its whatever. Cus i have always gave credit where its due.

and the only time I have used something like that was on Griffon and I used it so that I could get the proper grabs down. And I had to fix them too because they needed fixing as well

So it wasnt like I just used it, I fixed it too.

I never hid it, I never lied about it at all. So whatever man.

"I just stole this iPhone and want to sell it. Hey at least I'm telling you I stole it!"

[rednavi -RETIRED]

If someone is ready to pay you for this why not, Red?
But I highly doubt that someone will buy something to you...

I'm working with a team of artists to create a full mugen game with original sprites for original characters where everything is done from scratch. I decide the alignment, speed and collision boxes of every single movement because there's no original game to take the data from or character already made for mugen to copy-paste them from.

We're a team of at least 10 people under the command of the project leader who provides the money and contacts and we get paid a fixed monthly sum for getting progress in the game + bonuses for any special job we may have to take in the meantime (Like when one person is unable to finish his part of the job, somebody else does it and gets extra cash) and we're aiming for an end of the year release date for the game, which of course I'm coding using mugen so once it's ready it will be free for everybody to play with and it will also have 100% open source coding for any of you to stealcopy-paste from or even learn from it as it has tons of fullgame-only features some people may find interesting to study.

Hephaistos31, I believe you'll find it extremely hilarious how you called out pretty much the only person in this thread who's actually getting paid for making a mugen fullgame. You should try to win the lottery next

If someone is ready to pay you for this why not, Red?
But I highly doubt that someone will buy something to you...

rednavi refuses to take any commissions until he's finally done his 2048 color split kula sprites for koopakoot

Only the Foxy striker is left!