- Straight Down Stomp is an infinite in the corner if you time it right.
- Ninja Star is also an infinite with good timing

- Ninja Star and Sniper Rifle miss up close

- His super sparks seem to be invisible.

- The projectile on Ninja Star seems to be affected by cornerpush which doesn't look too good.

- Flamethrower doesn't do chip damage

- The Flamethrower projectiles shouldn't have shadows

- The super portrait isn't actually bound to the screen (at least not on 1.0).

- The supers give power back

- His voiceclip PlaySnds don't use "channel = 0", meaning they can overlap with each other

- Flamethrower doesn't look very good, specifically the way he shoots out like 50 helpers at once. I feel like it could be simplified into a smaller set of helpers. I also feel like the projectiles should be able to go in more than one direction.

- I think Rage Ability could use more effects. Maybe a shockwave effect when he punches the ground?

- A little hard to explain, but his moveset feels kinda... samey? Two of his specials (the ninja star and the missile) for the most part function the same, and two of his other specials (the rifle and the plank) also feel very similar to each other. Maybe give them some more unique properties? I will say that the missile's explosion damaging the opponent no matter what is a good start.

- Speaking of, Plank Swing feels kinda useless. It's basically just a normal with extra startup.

- It feels kinda weird that all his hard punches knock down the opponent because they don't look like they should. Not to mention the opponent can instantly tech from the knockdowns so it feels even more weird.

That said though, he's pretty decent overall, and I definitely feel there's potential here. I recommend studying other characters' movesets if possible in order to get a better sense of move variety. I'd be interested in seeing an update to this someday.

Hey, this was a trove treasure what we have! Great character, besides I've played this flash game before.

DeluxeGamer705 said, November 04, 2023, 10:11:31 am

I've removed its shadows by replacing the "Helper" coding with a regular projectile coding, but there's a problem - it now only hits one opponent instead of two at once. I tried to remove the projectiles from Flamethrower's shadows when it was still a helper-based move, but I couldn't do it, so despite the regular projectile coding fixing it, I broke it by making it hit only one opponent instead of two. 
I'll still try fixing it though.

You don't need to swap the flamethrower's helper code. You can put AssertSpecial state controller into flamethrower's helper code and use noshadows flag, while also turning on ignorehitpause in the same AssertSpecial state controller.

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I don't really understand that... 

- The moves won't hit if you're too close to the opponent. (I tested them against KFM, it might be different with other characters.) This can be solved by adding a Width sctrl (in the case of both moves) or by extending the red hitbox further inward (in the case of the rifle).

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You mean the "pos" coding? I don't really use it, but judging from it, maybe I could make the superpause use it.

- I was referring to how the superpause calls for an "anim = 3000". Thing is, the superpause sctrl pulls the animations from fightfx.air unless specified otherwise. Most people's fightfx don't have an animation numbered 3000, which makes it invisible. (For reference, the super sparks are typically anims 100-102.) Though if you wanted to make it invisible that's fine too.

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Since it basically fires 60 projectiles, I thought it would be a bit too overpowered, which is why I didn't give it any chip damage.

- That's understandable. I'd prefer if the projectiles each did a tiny bit of chip but I can see your reasoning.

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Judging from that, I guess I should make it so that no power is given when Vortigon uses any of his hypers.

- Pretty much. Adding "getpower = 0,0" to the hitdefs on Rage Ability and the Flamethrower projectiles should solve things.

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I wasn't sure what the "channel = 0" thing means, but now I get it. I'll try to add it to fix this issue.

- Yeah it's not a necessary fix (especially considering most of his voiceclips are too short for this to really be an issue), though it'd be nice

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So I should tone down the amount of projectiles from 60 to 20 or 25? Also, I don't really know how to make it so that the projectiles could go in more than one direction, so I'm not really sure if I could do something like this. 

- Here are some ideas I had regarding Flamethrower:
   - instead of making him shoot out helpers every frame you could make him shoot out helpers, say, every 3rd frame. Here's a quick comparison I made:
      - You would have to adjust the damage and whatnot, but I think it would look much better this way and still give you the desired effect.
   - As for making the projectiles go in more than one direction, I was thinking you could maybe have them randomly go up and down a little. Try replacing "velset = 4,0" in the projectile state with something like "velset = 4,ifelse(random%2, -0.5, 0.5)". You might have to adjust the Y vels a little, but that should give you a good idea of what I mean.

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I've tried to make them a bit slightly different, such as the ninja star being also possible to be used in the air and be an OTG, while the missile isn't and can be only performed while standing (also, the ninja star causes no knockdowns, while the missile causes hard knockdown no matter if the opponent is airbone or not). Also, sniper rifle causes hard knockdown too, while plank causes soft knockdown, but I tried to make it slightly different.

- You bring up some fair points, admittedly I hadn't looked into his moveset too much when I made my post. Now that you mention it the projectiles are mostly fine. Though I still think they could be changed up a little. One idea I had is to maybe make the ninja star go in a slight arc?
   - As for the other two moves I brought up, they feel very similar to one another in that when you break them down they're just "wait a bit and Vortigon knocks down the opponent while staying in place". This is also another reason why I feel Plank Swing is kinda useless, it's slower than the rifle and doesn't cause a hard knockdown either.

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So, should I replace it with a different move, or lower its startup a bit, or maybe even try to incrase its range?

- Some ideas I had in mind regarding making Plank Swing better:
   - make it send the opponent into a wallbounce state (KFM has some states you can use as reference for this)
   - give it better range (maybe make Vortigon move forward a little when he does the move)
   - possibly decrease the startup by a couple frames?
   - Of course you don't have to do all of these, but it'd help give the special some more purpose.

Glad to help, and again if you have any more questions feel free to ask. I think you have something good going on here.

Good work on Vortigon! Chaos Faction is one of my childhood games and I'm glad someone is giving attention to it.

I have some thoughts for his gameplay:

- Normals should chain into each other more, like for example, I can't chain light punch to light kick but I can with air light punch and air light kick. Kinda weird ehhh

- Sniper Rifle should have more range or something, it feels pointless to me since you have Ninja Star and Missile Shoot that can do better

- Plank Swing is completely useless, N_N already mentioned that but honestly there's no point in using that move in a fight wowee

- Personal opinion of mine, I think Rage Ability should feel more of an earthquake super by changing the hitbox like this:

I don't think there's anything else to point out since N_N took care of the rest, but I'd still say you did a good work! Keep it up!

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Hmm... I don't remember it being an earthquake move in Chaos Faction 2, but I might try making it to be like this, unless someone suggests to leave it as it was before.

I barely remember anything from the games since I haven't played them for ages, feel free to prove me wrong tho!