I mean, I'm from Chile, technically they can't do nothing

If I remember, something similar happened with BlazBlue? Either ways, this is absolutely pathetic. MUGEN's ToS literally states that you can not use MUGEN commercially, this is ridiculous.

If I remember, something similar happened with BlazBlue? Either ways, this is absolutely pathetic. MUGEN's ToS literally states that you can not use MUGEN commercially, this is ridiculous.

Guys, I need your guidance about this since I don't know what to do... I wanted to necro/revive this 10+yo thread about this issue and/or mention this in the CF Revival thread I made, but I think a new thread here is the proper way to follow to say this.

Most of you know about ClayFighter: Infinite Clayfare, my personal fullgame project which is the compilation of all my work I made for MUGEN until now. I thought I won't be noticed by Interplay, but now I know I did... but not the way I would liked to. Checking my Gmail yesterday (mostly cleaning mails) I found this one from Interplay's lawyer Christopher Nelson:

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As you can read, it's a Cease and Desist about my fullgame and all related to ClayFighter (included a direct link to my site apart of the CF page I made for IC). The mail is from July 18th and I just saw it yesterday, and meanwhile I continued with the promotion and even released the Beta 2 in August.

You all know that MUGEN itself and all content on it is marked as non-profittable, so I couldn't use it to get money, it if I could do it (like passing the game to IKEMEN for example) I won't do it anyway since I love this game series. But seems that Interplay guys are just businessmen that just want money and don't care about videogames anymore: I can't ignore a mail like this, but either I want to answer with something that I'd regret later (I'm so angry with all of this BTW), especially because the same guy was the one behind the cancellation of ClayFighter: ReSculpted, another CF fangame. And maybe he doesn't know about MUGEN, so yeah, I could stop my game and delete all the promotion and the twitter (maybe I could rename it as @basara.kun as my MUGEN general account), but he could think that I could continue when he see my chars and the others from MUGEN and not just made by me... since he linked me Ultra ClayFighter, a romhack not made by me.

I want to delete the mail and continue as nothing happens... but what about he and Interplay really make legal actions?? I mean, I'm from Chile, technically they can't do nothing, but there's a precedent here about "Miel Gibson" case (a small honey maker that has a wordplay between "miel", honey in Spanish, and the actor, whose laywers threatened them), so I'm not sure if I'm safe here...

tl;dr Interplay wants to make legal actions about my game and I need your help, guidance and/or opinions about what to do in this case... maybe about how to make a mail clarifying about I don't have intentions of use their properties in a bad way but as a way of fanart. I read you, people...

Dr. Basara Kilnklein said, September 08, 2023, 11:11:15 pm

I'm pissed too, but that's not the way to do things, I've been guided by fellow Guild members on Discord to do what I've to do, and one of them is to wait an official answer from Interplay about my issue... or that they responds publicly since the spread of the word on Twitter and some VG news sites

Since the answer has been given, the best option now is to wait for a response.
I still believe that the best way to solve this was to get a lawyer.
Most are bullies by nature, taking advantage that many people have no idea what are their rights.
Most change their 'threats' when facing another lawyer.
If money is the issue, some lawyers do not charge at the first consultation, or the consultation is at a low price.

Putting this in the thread that's actually about the C&D because I don't want his other clayfighter thread to get derailed

Charles The fighter said, September 09, 2023, 09:57:53 pm

087-B said, September 09, 2023, 09:49:32 pm

Charles The fighter said, September 08, 2023, 05:10:44 pm

Be an Centrlist man and do what the fallout onlline dev once did threaten the lawyer

Charles The fighter said, September 09, 2023, 09:26:16 pm

You know almost everyone is pissed off now. Im just expressing my anger. Had you man up yet now against interplay yet?

Ah yes this is definitely sane, rational, reasonable behavior that would have no consequences whatsoever.

Still, Im angry at interplay, others are angry at interplay, basakun is angry at interplay and you should be angry at interplay also. So why you going against the centralist route?

I'm not happy about them doing this either but I don't think I'd get this worked up over it. Threatening the lawyer like the fallout online guy (???) is only going to make matters worse and will probably wind up in a lawsuit, and we still don't have a response from Interplay themselves yet so for a while it's going to be really hard to judge how the situation will end. I think Basara may be taking the most reasonable response by halting development after he finishes up Dr. Kiln (presumably) and taking a break from actually making clayfighter content for the engine, and he tried to make his actual response to the C&D email as organized and explanatory as he possibly could. He talked about it here so that he wouldn't make judgements too quickly, and everyone else came to him with the understanding that the best thing to do would be to not continue.

I have no idea what Interplay is actually doing with ClayFighter right now but I really don't think boycotting them would really change anything. The law is the law, and you either live with it or don't. I wish things could be better but they probably won't be improving for a while.

Are you trying to fuckin mock basakun? Since you sound like you mocking him hell i think you're one of interplay's goons trying to harass him like take 2 did with modders. Get out scum, no one wants copyright abusers, The Centrlists will take over this fuckin forum.

1Ultima said, September 10, 2023, 03:00:47 pm

ah yes, ye olde "my Gdrive was hacked and it had the most recent (almost complete) beta on it oh no"

I think its best to wait for a official responce 1st before doing something like that. Maybe they can realise Mugen is a profit free game or something.

Well, I did say he should do that if Interplay didn't change their minds. I mean, it would be pointless to do that if they actually do the reasonable thing and leave Infinite Clayfare alone.

Charles The fighter said, September 10, 2023, 05:18:26 pm

Are you trying to fuckin mock basakun? Since you sound like you mocking him hell i think you're one of interplay's goons trying to harass him like take 2 did with modders. Get out scum, no one wants copyright abusers, The Centrlists will take over this fuckin forum.

You need to calm your ass down. You're being aggressive for no reason.

I hate when...
Company: *Does absolutely NOTHING with the IP for years, decades, centuries, millennia.*
Fans: Well, it's time to revive it. *Makes a good fangame.*
Company: NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T REVIVE OUR DEAD IP THAT WE WILL NEVER EVER TOUCH AGAIN. *Throws a C&D tantrum.*

This really sucks, compa. I hope this gets resolved soon.

Okay, and also im very sorry. Look  im just upset and not in a best state of mind. I just wish ic an figure out an good direction

I mean he could work on it in private (and he is already finishing up what he had before he was forced to stop), but revealing the completed product bum-fuck out of nowhere one day is just going to make people confused and get certain kinds of people to make bad C&D jokes that are somehow worse than the ones for nintendo fangames. Or yet again, a lawsuit. A lawsuit is the one thing he really wants to avoid here so that's why he's advising everyone else to tread carefully.

Macaulyn97 said, September 10, 2023, 08:19:23 pm

The problem is other companies, bigger (and successful) ones, are fully aware of MUGEN and decided to leave it alone. Why is a lesser company like Interplay rearing their heads from whatever hole they dug for themselves to pull a C&D on a project that does more good than harm to the IP? If they had any brain, they'd go as far as openly support the project so they can pretend they're doing something with the IP.

I think the reason why most companies don't support derivative MUGEN stuff is because the engine itself has a non-commercial license, and they don't want others to see it as some kind of competition because they know it isn't. People tend to bring that up a lot whenever someone does something tangentially related to money in this community.

Macaulyn97 said, September 11, 2023, 11:06:53 pm

I mean, Pokemon Uranium was C&Ded by Nintendo and there are other people still working on it, its just not being publically revealed.

Uranium was released before being C&D'd though.
That's how people were working on it, they downloaded the original release and worked on that.
Same with AM2R. Released, then DCMA'd.

Charles The fighter said, September 10, 2023, 05:18:26 pm

Are you trying to fuckin mock basakun? Since you sound like you mocking him hell i think you're one of interplay's goons trying to harass him like take 2 did with modders. Get out scum, no one wants copyright abusers, The Centrlists will take over this fuckin forum.

Bro, what?

I was reffering to what happened with Pokemon Prism, where koolboyman got a C&D from Gamefreak and then had his GDrive "hacked" which just happened to had the most up to date beta on it.

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me

Why are you saying "It's been an honor" like he's dying? He can work on other things too.

It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me

Charles The fighter said, September 14, 2023, 07:22:57 am

Dr. Basara Kilnklein said, September 14, 2023, 05:13:43 am

It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me

Well fucking god man fuck, you should of just followed the advice and maybe interplay would have fucking fucked off Edit: PS You should have censored the person's name on the email and now we have the person to look for now congrats

You are fucking unhinged holy shit lol

Dr. Basara Kilnklein said, September 14, 2023, 05:13:43 am

It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me

If you'd contacted them from the beginning, then none of this would've happened.

It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me

Dr. Basara Kilnklein said, September 14, 2023, 05:13:43 am

It is official, it's over, nothing to do against a videogame company who still got the rights of a fangame like mine.

Thanks to all for your support and your words, I'll make the announcements in all my social media and my site, then all Infinite Clayfare content will be removed. Maybe that's the way things are, that the good things don't last...

After I get off the IC content, I'll delete the fullgame thread and this one will be locked. Again, thanks for your support, people, it means a lot to me

Oh no... anyway.

If you'd contacted them from the beginning, then none of this would've happened.

Oh no... anyway.

It's more like he doesn't understand the gravity of the situation and tries to joke around, you shouldn't take him seriously.

Sad to see what happened. This sets a precedent, but only for Interplay. Hopefully other companies don't view fan-art and celebrations of their IPs as a threat.

I'm not sure of Chile's laws in regards to copyright infringement

I want to delete the mail and continue as nothing happens... but what about he and Interplay really make legal actions?? I mean, I'm from Chile, technically they can't do nothing, but there's a precedent here about "Miel Gibson" case (a small honey maker that has a wordplay between "miel", honey in Spanish, and the actor, whose laywers threatened them), so I'm not sure if I'm safe here...

If you'd contacted them from the beginning, then none of this would've happened.

*long winded post about the semantics of copyright and trademark law because I got one of the terms mixed up with the other*

I'm sure I replied with this on your twitter post on this.
Have you thought about reworking the game with original characters, original stop motion sprites, original stages, original music/sounds, and have it run on IKEMEN? I'd pay real money for it if it goes for sale as digital downloads.

TurnPile said, September 18, 2023, 06:28:00 am

Pacsonic said, September 18, 2023, 05:42:05 am

I'm sure I replied with this on your twitter post on this.
Have you thought about reworking the game with original characters, original stop motion sprites, original stages, original music/sounds, and have it run on IKEMEN? I'd pay real money for it if it goes for sale as digital downloads.

Uh.....actually, he released the screenpack and basically has made it a "DIY" game.

He did do that but that still uses clayfighter assets, just isn't compiled into an actual game and is more random assets scattered into logical sections of his website. What pacsonic was referring to was a completely original game or IP that keeps the pixelated/digitized stop-motion style but uses its own characters instead of the clayfighter ones.

I really don't think he'd be able to do that, however. Stop-motion is time consuming and if basara were to get a team to do it it'd probably take several months just to make the sprites for one character. In general I just don't feel he has the resources to actually do something completely original, I have no idea if he even would want to create a team for it since he seems fine just doing things by himself and has other interests and hobbies than just clayfighter stuffs. Everything in this world costs money and it sucks.

Iced said, September 19, 2023, 01:51:47 pm

You might as well have suggested someone digitize their own sprites for a mortal kombat fan game

Guilty as charged.