The Mugen Fighters Guild - RenamonD V2 (Done!)

Tsunamidusher

RenamonD V2 (Done!)

#1 May 15, 2011, 05:35:34 am

Pixel Animator
"I'm done trying with you."

While working with Jones and adding AI to KlonoaD, I'm going to Update Renamon's Sprites and change her system to MVC1. This includes Terriermon as a limited striker and Guilmon for a Cross-Over Special and MAX Bar Duo Tag Special with Timed Unlimited Supers.
Mugen Currently... maybe will make it a 1.0 version.

(Renamon is standing upright in this image, she is not that tall in fighting stance)

Spoiler: Progress (click to see content)

Spoiler: Need Help With (click to see content)

Spoiler: Color Palette (click to see content)

Whelp, that's about it, I'll get back to it and all tips and tricks are greatly Appreciated!
-Momentai!

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Rajaa Retired

Re: RenamonD V2

#2 May 15, 2011, 11:30:42 am

You've gotten monstrously better at spriting. I hope the fluidity of your sprites have proved too. Transitional frames are important!

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I will need some assistance on coding, most of all. The main thing I need assistance with is setting up a time bar for Guilmon to temporarily be active. Making Guilmon himself an active helper that is present isn't the problem, it's making him present for a limited time.

You, of course, need to set up the bar sprites in the .sff. Make sure the bar that's going to be decreasing's axis is 0 for whatever axis it will be decreasing from. Then, you just need to set up the explod for the bar and position it where you want it to be positioned. I'd suggest using postype left, but you can use right if you want. Once you have the bars positioned and binded, you need a modify explod that is active as long as the explod for the bars exist. Trigger1 = numexplod(XXXX) > 0 is good enough.

I assume you already know that you need a variable to detect the time that Guilmon is summoned. Now, with that variable in mind, you will be focusing on the scale of the bar that will be decreasing. The scale for the axis at which the bar will be decreasing needs to be the variable that represents the time, and that variable needs to be divided by a plain number that is equal to the maximum value of your variable. So for instance, say Guilmon summoning lasts for 10 seconds, if that's the case, then your variable should equal 600. The equation will look like this for the scale: scale = var(X)/600,1.0. Your variable will constantly be decreasing, of course. If you need to scale the bar because it's hi-res, just multiply your variable by the percentage you want it scaled, I'd close that portion of the equation in parenthesis, just in case.

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Also, I'm not sure how to make/leave a persistent Black Shadow underneath renamon as is the MVC1 look. I have the shadow itself in the sff already and correctly aligned, but not the proper coding.

Just code a helper and make it bind to your character's position constantly. Since the y position always need to be at ground level, you could use a bindtoparent; just use "-root,pos y" for the Y axis binding, it'll make the helper always stay at ground level.

In the helper state, you will have various angledraws so you can set the scale of the shadow. This is fairly easy, just base its scale on your character's animations and animation-frames.

Tsunamidusher

Re: RenamonD V2

#3 May 16, 2011, 11:49:32 pm

Pixel Animator
"I'm done trying with you."

Ah, I think I understand. You stretch out a graphic of a sliver of a bar as long as you'd want the counter to last and it decreases as the second var counts down... so that's how you guys do it.

Alright, I have hit one more snag, though very minor. I'm trying to set up a "crawl" function. Where in crouch, the character crawls forward. The issue is, everytime she's supposed to do it. The animation doesn't move from the initial first frame.

Spoiler: Coding (click to see content)

CNS Code

Code:

; Crawl
[Statedef 25]
type    = C
physics = C
sprpriority = 1

[State 25, 2]
type = ChangeAnim
trigger1 = command = "holdFD"
value = 25

[State 25, 1]
type = VelSet
trigger1 = command = "holdFD"
x = const(velocity.walk.fwd.x)

[State 25, 2]
type = ChangeAnim
trigger1 = command != "holdFD"
value = 11

CMD

Code:

;-| Hold Dir |--------------------------------------------------------------
[Command]
name = "holdFD";Required (do not remove)
command = /$FD
time = 1

Code:

;---------------------------------------
[State -1, Crawl]
type = ChangeState
value = 25
triggerall = command = "holdFD"
trigger1 = statetype = C
trigger1 = ctrl

And thank you for the compliment! I've really been working on hard on rendering pixels.

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Cyanide

Re: RenamonD V2

#4 May 17, 2011, 01:07:55 am

Legendary XIII
I am the eye of the storm to come!

[State 25, 2]
type = ChangeAnim
trigger1 = command = "holdFD"
value = 25

That. Add persistent = 0. You should possibly also only allow the character to enter 25 if not already in 25, especially if you want attacks to work from it.

In M.U.G.E.N there is no magic button

They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.

Tsunamidusher

Re: RenamonD V2

#5 May 18, 2011, 10:03:55 pm

Pixel Animator
"I'm done trying with you."

And, again, that worked like a charm. heh heh

I've also been looking at other MVC Characters and MVC styled characters for some reference points, such as Gambit by Camrat and RyuMVC1 by K.Y-Shanxi. Found them not to be what I was expecting...

So, screw it. I'm going from scratch!

If you have some decent MVC1 suggestions in terms of damage balance, let me know.
Or any new ideas you'd like to add, for that matter.

Edit: I notice that some of you on the poll up there have a differnt name for this project. Post it!

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Cyanide

Re: RenamonD V2

#6 May 19, 2011, 07:11:08 am

Legendary XIII
I am the eye of the storm to come!

I can give you some feedback on MvC1 and how it functions for many of the base bits and bobs.

Super jumps. Holding forward or back increases velocity at a standard rate to a maximum of 4, if you release forwards it drops to 0 at the same rate it increases. If you jump straight up the hold fwd vel can kick in instantly. Backwards will only work after 8 ticks have passed.

Coming from a launcher if you hold back or forward while pressing up you instantly get full vel, once more it decreases at the rate above, if you continue to hold the button it will stay at +4/-4

Jumping normally has friction in the X directions as well.

Damage dampener reduces base damage by 1 point in game. You'd have to do some math. If an attack deals 8 damage in game, when you chain to it it deals 7 if it's hit 2 and 6 if it's hit 3. And so on to a minimum of 2 damage (14 in mugen terms IIRC)

Power from hits is decreased in the same manner but to a minimum of 1.

Fall should make use of a target state to force a recovery when hittime ends. Launchers do not lock you in the falling state till you hit the ground, you should automatically recover after a certain number of ticks. Normally 2 or so after you hit peak.

Most attacks do not cause a full knockdown. Exceptions are throws and trips. Anything that causes a "fall" should also recover as soon as hittime is over regardless of keypresses. Blackhearts crouching Y for example causes fall, but you recover after the bounce.

That's the base system stuff. There is other crap like advancing guard but getting the above right will improve feel a lot.

In M.U.G.E.N there is no magic button

They say a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, but it's not one half so bad as a lot of ignorance.

Tsunamidusher

Re: RenamonD V2

#7 May 20, 2011, 11:41:10 pm

Pixel Animator
"I'm done trying with you."

Cyanide said, May 19, 2011, 07:11:08 am

I can give you some feedback on MvC1 and how it functions for many of the base bits and bobs.

Super jumps. Holding forward or back increases velocity at a standard rate to a maximum of 4, if you release forwards it drops to 0 at the same rate it increases. If you jump straight up the hold fwd vel can kick in instantly. Backwards will only work after 8 ticks have passed.

Coming from a launcher if you hold back or forward while pressing up you instantly get full vel, once more it decreases at the rate above, if you continue to hold the button it will stay at +4/-4

Jumping normally has friction in the X directions as well.

I just finished this part of the coding. Also have MVC1 on Kawaks, so that's helping see this visually.

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Damage dampener reduces base damage by 1 point in game. You'd have to do some math. If an attack deals 8 damage in game, when you chain to it it deals 7 if it's hit 2 and 6 if it's hit 3. And so on to a minimum of 2 damage (14 in mugen terms IIRC)

Power from hits is decreased in the same manner but to a minimum of 1.

Damage Dampeners are something I've never delt with before, I'll seek tutorials on how to make this accurate.

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Fall should make use of a target state to force a recovery when hittime ends. Launchers do not lock you in the falling state till you hit the ground, you should automatically recover after a certain number of ticks. Normally 2 or so after you hit peak.

Most attacks do not cause a full knockdown. Exceptions are throws and trips. Anything that causes a "fall" should also recover as soon as hittime is over regardless of keypresses. Blackhearts crouching Y for example causes fall, but you recover after the bounce.

And I've already coded this portion properly as well and getting the proper explods.

When I finish the Heavy Kick/Launcher, I'll post the anims next to see if there are any changes there before Updating further. Give myself a lil break there.

-Momentai!

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Re: RenamonD V2

#8 May 21, 2011, 11:39:20 pm

Pixel Animator
"I'm done trying with you."

Oh, there is work to be done!

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Navana

Re: RenamonD V2

#9 May 21, 2011, 11:42:22 pm

Hey Tsu, always see you in Xat. I would like to say that I wish you luck with your Renamon. And as you told me to, whenever you want me to critique on something, I'll be more then happy to, but right now I wish you luck. ~

Hyogo

Re: RenamonD V2

#10 May 21, 2011, 11:46:29 pm

Holy BRAP

Looking at the video, the sprites look quite awesome and the gameplay seems quite similar to MvC1
and the fact you even made him/her crawl is awesome.

Only things that look a little awkward is

-He/She seems alot bigger when jumping/Back dashing and landing sprites.
-Obviously the Hyper isn't finished but yeah.
-The Launcher could need a tiny fix, I would of expected the person getting hit to go higher.

Tsunamidusher

Re: RenamonD V2

#11 May 23, 2011, 02:46:29 am

Pixel Animator
"I'm done trying with you."

Navana said, May 21, 2011, 11:42:22 pm

Hey Tsu, always see you in Xat. I would like to say that I wish you luck with your Renamon. And as you told me to, whenever you want me to critique on something, I'll be more then happy to, but right now I wish you luck. ~

No Problem at all! Hope it lives up to expectations.

El Loli Commander. said, May 21, 2011, 11:46:29 pm

Looking at the video, the sprites look quite awesome and the gameplay seems quite similar to MvC1
and the fact you even made him/her crawl is awesome.

Only things that look a little awkward is

-He/She seems alot bigger when jumping/Back dashing and landing sprites.
-Obviously the Hyper isn't finished but yeah.
-The Launcher could need a tiny fix, I would of expected the person getting hit to go higher.

The Launcher and Hyper are still in works, but that Jump is something I've been hearing already. I finally did a size comparison:

And I finally see it, the torso is fine, it's the leg and paw ratios that are clearly different, so I'll work on that later.

Edit: ~Momentai

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Re: RenamonD V2

#12 June 02, 2011, 05:41:07 am

Pixel Animator
"I'm done trying with you."

Kay, back. Took a week off to relax a bit from spriting.

Now then, finished all the Crouched attacked and did some work on Leaf Arrowhead/Diamond Storm
Basics 2

Moving along, I do have a couple questions Art Location wise.

I don't know where to find the Background Art for a Duo Team attack

Spoiler: Example (click to see content)

I've easily modified the greyish gold version for Crossover Attacks, but if I can find the "rainbow" version of that Background already made, that would save a ton of time. <_<

Also, don't know where to find the Font-Art for MVC1... you know, like Super Combo Finishes...

Thanks!

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Re: RenamonD V2

#13 June 19, 2011, 11:54:34 pm

Pixel Animator
"I'm done trying with you."

And I'm back once again. Made a ton of progress, but now looking for ideas... After updating the looks of her special attacks, it dawned on me... Renamon only has 2 special attacks.

Spoiler: Wisteria Punch (click to see content)

Spoiler: Fox Leaf Arrowhead (click to see content)

I'm rather stumped as for new ideas for attacks... I've been sitting on this for a week and progress has pretty much stopped. Any ideas?

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Sheng Long

Re: RenamonD V2

#14 June 20, 2011, 07:37:58 am

Video Game Veteran
Can you do it? SUREYOUCAN!

Tsunamidusher said, June 19, 2011, 11:54:34 pm

Spoiler: Fox Leaf Arrowhead (click to see content)

Looks like it's blowing a kiss or something. Probably not intentional though.

Anyway, looking pretty good. Like the design. The new ground shadows there are an interesting concept. I think I might try some experimenting with it on some of my work.

"You must defeat my flaming
dragon punch to stand a chance."

Hadoabuser

Re: RenamonD V2

#15 June 20, 2011, 07:10:52 pm

Since you have two of her attacks from the show converted to viable fighting skills why not get the other two listed in the wiki?

Fox Change Void could be done several ways.

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Fox Flash Attack

Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty

Card Sagas Wars > what ever you like.

Cybaster said, February 19, 2010, 05:27:30 pm

POTS has his name in 50% of characters' readme. I shall have 50% too, but for stages !

Luis Alejandro

Re: RenamonD V2

#16 June 20, 2011, 07:26:45 pm

DCB | Vato

Tsunamidusher said, June 02, 2011, 05:41:07 am

I've easily modified the greyish gold version for Crossover Attacks, but if I can find the "rainbow" version of that Background already made, that would save a ton of time. <_<

Also, don't know where to find the Font-Art for MVC1... you know, like Super Combo Finishes...

Thanks!

have you tried inverting the colors? and you can find the mvc1 font art from limitedmoon's mvc characters

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Re: RenamonD V2

#17 June 21, 2011, 06:37:40 am

Pixel Animator
"I'm done trying with you."

N-Mario said, June 20, 2011, 07:37:58 am

Looks like it's blowing a kiss or something. Probably not intentional though.

Anyway, looking pretty good. Like the design. The new ground shadows there are an interesting concept. I think I might try some experimenting with it on some of my work.

Yeah, doesn't look intimidating at all, pretty much... Maybe I'll add more pause time to the holding part to give the appearance of Rena's up to something sinister, which will make the launching part of the attack look evil!

And glad you dig the shadows, got to say, this circle shadow thing's grown on me. I may use it in the future characters as well.

Whipabuser said, June 20, 2011, 07:10:52 pm

Since you have two of her attacks from the show converted to viable fighting skills why not get the other two listed in the wiki?

Fox Change Void could be done several ways.
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
1. Creates a clone that does a random attack then vanishes.
2. Not as a special but a super; with the MVC Crossover time bar you would send out an invisible, invincible screen wide helper that would make p2 switch places with you when she is hit.
3. A grab, would play out similar to Tsunamidusher's Mixed Martial Takedown, but in a much lower capacity and with a clone or two.
4. A double jump, much like how Naruto uses his clones for velocity alterations.

Fox Flash Attack
Spoiler, click to toggle visibilty
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKI1ttjHjok#t=0m53s

Now these ideas really gave me something to think about! I didn't know, in Fox Change Void, she was able to clone herself. I never saw it in the show, but it is something a "ninja" character like this would do. Hiding in the shadows and such. I bring that up cause others have mentioned giving Renamon a Teleport ability involving leaves, but the actual ability similar to Bisons or Dhalsims.

Luis Alejandro said, June 20, 2011, 07:26:45 pm

have you tried inverting the colors? and you can find the mvc1 font art from limitedmoon's mvc characters

Yes, I believe those limitedmoon fonts will come in handy. Thank you!

As for the hyper backgrounds, for the Duo Team Attack, I decided to go the Dreamcast route and simply make a red Super BG.

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Re: RenamonD V2

#18 July 03, 2011, 07:53:12 am

Pixel Animator
"I'm done trying with you."

Finished the Basic sprites for Rika and Rika Biomerging into Renamon... now Working Sakuyamon herself.

But before I go do ALL of that, I'd like some feedback on any obvious issues to fix before I begin on Sakuyamon's animations.

FYI: Doesn't her color sep look like a bit like Samus Aran?

Edit: I'm actually having an issue

Code:

[state -3, Dampener]
type = attackmulset
trigger1 = numtarget >= 1
value = 0.9 ** target, gethitvar(hitcount);0.95 ** target, gethitvar(hitcount)
persistent = 0

This is my temporary damage dampenner. The issue is when my striker does damage and the enemy is still in a get hit state when I attack, the dampener is completely ignored.

If I were to do a super on the enemy without the striker damage, the move roughly does 175 damage.
If I were to do the super with the striker while the enemy is in their get hit state, it is 430-ish damage, minus the striker's damage.
Completely bypassing the dampener... Any ideas?

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Re: RenamonD V2

#19 July 16, 2011, 05:57:07 am

Pixel Animator
"I'm done trying with you."

For those of you that care, I finished Guilmon and Gargomon's Crossover Attacks.

This one crosses over with Diamond Storm.

Creating a cone of damage to character close and any far grounded enemies.

Terriermon Digivolves into Gargomon while Renamon Digivolves into Kyuubimon.

This is immediate damage to pretty much all ground based enemies, not to mention if an enemy is too close during this digivolution, they'll be stunned and launched to teh front of the enemy take the full brunt of the attack.

Working on Super/Hyper/Cross Over Portraits, then onto Sakuyamon for the last Super.

Still seeking a good damage dampening tutorial.

Take it easy

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