OHMSBY's WIP thread: Kirby

[OHMSBY]

Kirby has been released. You can heck him out here:

http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/kirby-186763.0.html

Spoiler: Original Post (click to show)

Yeah, its Kirby:


He'll have the same custom BBTag esque gameplay system as the rest of my characters. As you can see in the screenshot, I'm using seku's "D4" sprites, however they have been modified to have proper indexing so Kirby can have more than just one palette. Some of the sprites have also been edited to make him a little more expressive.

What makes this character really special is the fact that he can get copy abilities from his opponents. Similarly to how most of the Blazblue characters have their drive moves mapped to B, such is the case for Kirby's inhaling and copy abilities. The rest of his moveset mostly consists of his moves from Super Smash Bros.

Here are some clips of him in action:
https://streamable.com/sr6dm
https://streamable.com/7nb3a
https://streamable.com/y0cv4
https://streamable.com/numv7

Distortion Drives:
https://streamable.com/2edzf
https://streamable.com/z409h

A few of his Copy Abilities:
https://streamable.com/fmlu1
https://streamable.com/54eph
https://streamable.com/0aqnp
https://streamable.com/aut0u

Anyway, the reason why I'm doing a WIP thread this time is because I'm looking for some opinions. Since Kirby is going to be able to get copy abilities from his opponents, I need to do some brain storming on who gives what copy ability, and the answer isn't always obvious. I'v already come with a few lists of who gives what for the playable characters in BBtag as well as those in the games associated with it. Keep in mind that the copy abilities are limited to what I can do with the sprites. While it would make more sense for Mika Returna to give the jet ability, that is unfortunately not something that I can recreate with the sprites that I have. Anyway, here are the lists:

Spoiler: Playable cast of Blazblue Cross Tag Battle (click to show)

Fighter:
-Makoto Nanaya
-Azrael
-Chie Satonaka
-Akihiko Sanada
-Naoto Kurogane
-Heart Aino

Sword:
-Ragna the Bloodedge
-Hakumen
-Nu-13
-Es
-Hyde
-Orie
-Yuzuriha

Cutter:
-Linne
-Gordeau
-Ruby Rose

Fire:
-Nine the Phantom
-Yukiko Amagi
-Yang Xiao Long

Ice:
-Jin Kisaragi
-Mitsuru Kirijo
-Weiss Schnee

Plasma:
-Rachel Alucard
-Yu Narukami
-Kanji Tatsumi (?) (Suplex could also work.)

Beam:
-Vatista

Bomb:
-Noel Vermillion
-Aegis
-Teddie

Hammer:
-Platinum the Trinity (?) (Bomb could also work.)
-Labrys

Mirror:
-Naoto Shirogane (?)

Suplex:
-Iron Tager (?) (Plasma could also work.)
-Waldstein
-Mika

Yo-Yo:
-Hazama
-Merkava (?) (Fire might be a better choice.)
-Blake Belladonna

Needle:
-Carmine

Spear:
-Izayoi
-Mai Natsume

Ninja:
-Jubei
-Youske Hanamura
-Seth

Spoiler: Remaining cast of Blazblue Central Fiction (click to show)

Fighter:
-Litchi Faye-Ling
-Valkenhayn R. Hellsing
-Susanoo (?) (Sword could also work)

Sword:
-Lambda-11 (?) (Cutter could also work)
-Tsubaki Yayoi
-Kagura Mutsuki

Cutter:
-Taokaka
-Relius Clover
-Yuuki Terumi
-Celica A. Mercury

Fire:
-Bullet (?) (Suplex could also work)
-Izanami

Ice:
-

Plasma:
-Kokonoe

Beam:
-Mu-12

Bomb:
-

Hammer:
-

Mirror:
-

Suplex:
-

Yo-Yo:
-Amane Nishiki (?) (Needle could also work)

Needle:
-Arakune
-Carl Clover

Spear:
-

Ninja:
-Bang Shishigami
-Hibiki Kohaku

Spoiler: Remaining cast of Under Night In-Birth Exe:Late(st) (click to show)

Fighter:
-Enkidu

Sword:
-Nanase

Cutter:
-Hilda

Fire:
-Chaos (?)
-Wagner

Ice:
-

Plasma:
-Akatsuki

Beam:
-

Bomb:
-

Hammer:
-

Mirror:
-

Suplex:
-

Yo-Yo:
-Eltnum
-Phonon

Needle:
-Byakuya

Spear:
-

Ninja:
-

Spoiler: Remaining cast of Persona 4: Arena Ultimax (click to show)

Fighter:
-

Sword:
-SHO Minazuki
-Sho MINAZUKI

Cutter:
-

Fire:
-Junpei Iori

Ice:
-

Plasma:
-Marie
-Tohru Adachi

Beam:
-Elizabeth
-Rise Kujikawa

Bomb:
-

Hammer:
-Shadow Labrys

Mirror:
-

Suplex:
-Margaret

Yo-Yo:
-

Needle:
-Yukari Takeba

Spear:
-Ken Amada

Ninja:
-

Spoiler: Remaining cast of Arcana Heart 3 Love Max Six Stars!!!!!! (click to show)

Fighter:
-

Sword:
-Weiß
-Kamui
-Fiona

Cutter:
-Clarice
-Lilica
-Elsa

Fire:
-Mei-Fang
-Yoriko

Ice:
-Zenia

Plasma:
-Saki

Beam:
-Angelia
-Petra

Bomb:
-Catherine

Hammer:
-

Mirror:
-Dorothy

Suplex:
-Kira
-Minori

Yo-Yo:
-Maori
-Scharlachrot

Needle:
-Eko (?) (Sword could also work)
-Leiselotte (?)

Spear:
-

Ninja:
-Konoha
-Akane
-Nazuna (?)

Do you think there any characters that should give a different ability than the ones I have listed? Please let me know.
I'm going to come up with more lists for other games as well, so stay tuned for that.

Also, if you would like to have your character or someone else's character be compatible with Kirby, then give the character's name in their def file (Not the display name) and what copy ability they should give. The available copy abilities are Fighter, Sword, Cutter, Fire, Ice, Plasma, Beam, Bomb, Hammer, Mirror, Suplex, Yo-yo, Needle, Spear, and Ninja.

Any incompatible characters will give Kirby the fighter ability by default.

[Nep Heart]

 Makes me wish there were King Dedede sprites of this level of quality because I sure as hell would like a good Dedede for MUGEN

I feel like Ultra Sword could use an extra hit or two to give the Distortion Drive that aggressive oomph to it.

Also, will he have a different mid-air jump from the rest of your cast in a similar vain to how his multiple mid-air jumps work in Smash?

Also, an idea that just popped into mind is this WIP thread (or a future thread, whatever works better for you) is some sort of discussion on Copy comparability where authors could probably pitch in and suggest their own characters for certain Copy modes (preferably setting a qualification criteria so that you don't get flooded with too many author requests). Not necessarily a must, but it just sounded like a fun idea that came into mind.

[OHMSBY]

Makes me wish there were King Dedede sprites of this level of quality because I sure as hell would like a good Dedede for MUGEN

You and me both. I would absolutely LOVE to work on King Dedede.

I feel like Ultra Sword could use an extra hit or two to give the Distortion Drive that aggressive oomph to it.

I wanted Ultra Sword to be as close to how it was in Return to Dreamland as possible and in that game, it only hits once for each enemy it comes into contact with.

So instead, I made the pausetime a little longer, made the slash effect bigger, increased the envshake, and had the medium slash sound play along with the hard slash sound, and I think it really helped add that extra oomph.
https://streamable.com/a6k2k

Also, will he have a different mid-air jump from the rest of your cast in a similar vain to how his multiple mid-air jumps work in Smash?

He already does.
https://streamable.com/2smf7

Also, an idea that just popped into mind is this WIP thread (or a future thread, whatever works better for you) is some sort of discussion on Copy comparability where authors could probably pitch in and suggest their own characters for certain Copy modes (preferably setting a qualification criteria so that you don't get flooded with too many author requests). Not necessarily a must, but it just sounded like a fun idea that came into mind.

Ooh, that could be fun. It's probably best to do it here rather than in a new thread. First post has been updated.

Also, I might as well ask this now. What copy abilities should Your Haruhi and Mio give? I'm having a hard time deciding for those two.

[Nep Heart]

Also, I might as well ask this now. What copy abilities should Your Haruhi and Mio give? I'm having a hard time deciding for those two.

Mio would mostly likely fit with the Mirror ability given her gameplay is based on mimicking moves referencing whatever she cosplays as.

Haruhi, that one may be a little tougher, but I'm inclined on Plasma ability due to having a fair amount of plasma based attacks in her moveset (I'd go with Sword ability to reference an RPG-inspired spin-off where Haruhi wields a lance, but Sayaka has that one covered already and there is other sword users I consider in the future). Beam is an alternative as a reference of her unknowingly giving Mikuru the ability to shoot beams from her eyes in the novel/anime.

Seeing as I'll be releasing Doppel Nanase around this month, hers will be pretty obvious; Suplex ability due to being a grappler.

[WilliamTheOctoling]

Kirby, eh? That's so cool!

[OHMSBY]

Mio would mostly likely fit with the Mirror ability given her gameplay is based on mimicking moves referencing whatever she cosplays as.

That makes sense. I suppose I could use that cosplay logic for Kirino from DBFC as well. I was struggling to come up with an ability for her until now.

Haruhi, that one may be a little tougher, but I'm inclined on Plasma ability due to having a fair amount of plasma based attacks in her moveset (I'd go with Sword ability to reference an RPG-inspired spin-off where Haruhi wields a lance, but Sayaka has that one covered already and there is other sword users I consider in the future). Beam is an alternative as a reference of her unknowingly giving Mikuru the ability to shoot beams from her eyes in the novel/anime.

Alright, Plasma it is then.

Seeing as I'll be releasing Doppel Nanase around this month, hers will be pretty obvious; Suplex ability due to being a grappler.

I knew it.



Anyway, here's a few more of Kirby's copy abilities. Needle, Cutter, and Ninja:

https://streamable.com/yvmdg
https://streamable.com/dd5jj
https://streamable.com/vugyu

[GarfieldfanMUGEN]

One question:

Will he have the ability types based on the Smash Bros. fighters, too?

[OHMSBY]

Nope, he'll just have the copy abilities from the main series Kirby games.

I will add compatability for the other smash bros. fighters though (Mario gives fire, Link gives sword, Pikachu gives plasma, etc).

[Umezono]

Can you combo into inhale?

[OHMSBY]

Yes indeed:
https://streamable.com/jiemf

[ZolidSone]

Since you're working on character compatibility with Kirby, I've been spending a few days compiling a list of characters for games like Eternal Fighter Zero and Touhou. However, I haven't finalized it yet as I can't think of what copy ability is better for characters with air/wind, water, all elemental magic, etc. Do you have any ideas? Since sucking Kuroko would give me Ninja, I think I got a good idea with any with teleportation abilities. I also have a list for Dengeki Bunko: Fighting Climax too, but it looks like you are already covering it.

Also, if Kirby would fight himself and inhales him, would nothing happen?

[GarfieldfanMUGEN]

Also, if Kirby would fight himself and inhales him, would nothing happen?

As stated in the main post:

Any incompatible characters will give Kirby the fighter ability by default.

So Kirby would most likely turn into a fighter after inhaling himself.

[OHMSBY]

Actually, Kirby will get the Mirror ability from himself, due to the fact that it's a Mirror Match.

I can't think of what copy ability is better for characters with air/wind, water, all elemental magic, etc.

Characters that are associated with the element of water could give the Ice ability. Ice is frozen water after all.

I would associate Air/Wind with the cutter ability due to the cutter blades working like a boomerang (which uses airflow).

As for characters that use all of the elements, I'd just go with the element that is used most in the moveset (Even though Nine the Phantom uses fire, ice, and wind, she gives the fire ability due to it being used much more in her moveset). If the character doesn't seem to use any element more than the other, then I'd just pick one at random.

I also have a list for Dengeki Bunko: Fighting Climax too, but it looks like you are already covering it.

I might as well post what I got so far for the DBFC copy ability list:

Spoiler: Playable cast of Dengeki Bunko: Fighting Climax (click to show)

Fighter:
-Shizuo Heiwajima (?) (Suplex could also work maybe?)
-Akira Yuki

Sword:
-Asuna
-Kirito
-Taiga Aisaka (?) (Fighter could also work)
-Emi Yusa
-Yuuki Konno

Cutter:
-

Fire:
-Shana

Ice:
-Tomoka Minato
-Miyuki Shiba
-Ako (?) (Plasma and Fire could also work.)

Plasma:
-Mikoto Misaka

Beam:
-Selvaria Bles
-Tatsuya Shiba
-Rentaro Satomi

Bomb:
-Quenser

Hammer:
-

Mirror:
-Kirino Kosaka

Suplex:
-

Yo-Yo:
-

Needle:
-Kuroyukihime

Spear:
-Yukina Himeragi

Ninja:
-Kuroko Shirai

Admittedly, Index, Toradora, Valkyria, and Virtua Fighter are the only represented franchises in DBFC that I'm actually familiar with. So, the list was mostly made based on each of the characters' movesets in mind rather than their source material. I'm curious to see your list as well.

[vgma2]

Oooh snap.  This looks to be one of your more ambitious projects.  Looking forward to see how it turns out.

Out of curiosity are you considering incorporating Messatsu's Character trait identifiers for checking additional copy ability possibilities on incompatible characters?

Admittedly, I'm not sure how many creators actually use these.

[Mr. Giang]

Admittedly, I'm not sure how many creators actually use these.

Pretty rare. I highly advise against doing this as it isn't really worth the time.

[GarfieldfanMUGEN]

Actually, Kirby will get the Mirror ability from himself, due to the fact that it's a Mirror Match.

(rimshot)

Will Stone be an ablility? Cause I have the perfect opponent for that... The Thing.

[OHMSBY]

Will Stone be an ablility? Cause I have the perfect opponent for that... The Thing.

Unfortunately, no. Stone is already a part of Kirby's main moveset, and there isn't enough sprites to work with to make stone it's own seperate copy ability.

I suppose The Thing could give the hammer ability instead, since stone and hammer tend to share the same properties in the main series.



Anyway, I have a few more abilities to show off. Mirror, Beam, and Plasma:
https://streamable.com/fpovw
https://streamable.com/t614v
https://streamable.com/pemb0

I've also made a copy ability list for the playable cast of Guilty Gear Accent Core:

Spoiler (click to show)

Fighter:
-Jam Kuradoberi
-Slayer

Sword:
-Baiken
-Johnny
-Kliff Undersn

Cutter:
-Millia Rage
-Testament

Fire:
-Sol Badguy
-Order-Sol

Ice:
-Dizzy

Plasma:
-Ky Kiske
-Anji Mito
-Zappa (?) (Sword could also work.)
-Robo-Ky
-Justice

Beam:
-I-No

Bomb:
-Faust

Hammer:
-May
-A.B.A

Mirror:
-

Suplex:
-Potemkin

Yo-Yo:
-Axl Low (?) (Fire could also work.)
-Bridget

Needle:
-Eddie/Zato-1

Spear:
-Venom

Ninja:
-Chipp Zanuff

[Nep Heart]

 Ah, I see you've implemented a projectile reflector for this character.

I wonder if this may be of any use for Kirby since it has worked for me on three characters who use this: http://mugenguild.com/forum/topics/versatile-projectile-reflector-186170.0.html

[Macaulyn97]

Question: what happens if Kirby swallows someone he isn't compatible with?

[Nep Heart]

Question: what happens if Kirby swallows someone he isn't compatible with?

Literally answered like twice in the thread. He gets Fighter by default in those cases.