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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#221  April 08, 2014, 06:19:38 pm
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armentis' sagat definitely needs work. i think the main question is if converting svc sagat to a proper cvs sprite style is worth the time (he would blend in with cvs ryu much better this way) or if sagat should just use his sfa sprites (or the sf3 style ones) and the time that would have been put into cvs sagat would go into something else

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#222  April 08, 2014, 06:27:55 pm
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heya, you guys should prioritize what you want to do.

if making a proof of concept is the main objective then using existing sprites that need the least edits would be a priority over new frames.

You can add the fancy sprites later on if you want anyway.

Umezono

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#223  April 08, 2014, 06:38:32 pm
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Yeah my major problem is you guys dont seem to be communicating that well. And Id still like to know what happens if armsagat wins. Do you have a seperate person to do completations?

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#224  April 08, 2014, 06:57:09 pm
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FeLo_Llop said, April 08, 2014, 05:24:25 pm
Now, guys, I think that we should focus on Ryu, IMHO. Let's leave polls for a future, as I propposed a page ago.

I'm with this. I believe too much is being read into something that won't be notably prevalent until later in development anyway.

Considering the topic, it's natural to discuss what spriteset Sagat would use, so posting about Ryu in this thread is kinda off-topic. But yeah, a bit early for this kind of poll/thread.

Byakko

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#225  April 08, 2014, 07:01:08 pm
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Umezono said, April 08, 2014, 06:10:36 pm
but you said you would refuse to work on it, what if nobody else has the ability to do it? then this whole thing comes to a halt over sagat.
Umezono said, April 08, 2014, 06:38:32 pm
And Id still like to know what happens if armsagat wins. Do you have a seperate person to do completations?
... Then they use Armentis' Sagat anyway ? Felo said he wouldn't stop it, only he wouldn't fix it. You're asking who's going to do if not him, but those questions are way too early here. None of them is going to get committed right now to doing stuff that won't be close to ready even a year from now.
Felo got a little emotional about his area of expertise but you're pressing it a bit too hard.
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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#226  April 08, 2014, 07:01:29 pm
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Hey I never put up any Sagat poll :P I'm all for putting the focus solely on Ryu for now!

AlexSin

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#227  April 08, 2014, 07:02:03 pm
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Umezono said, April 08, 2014, 06:38:32 pm
Yeah my major problem is you guys dont seem to be communicating that well.

Yes, I know; it's my fault for doing the poll before talking to him. He should be the leader after all and I did the things in a "sneaky" way. Sorry Felo.
I should have waited at least some weeks (or when Ryu got released) before making the new poll, and even then I should have talked with Felo about alternatives... I should have. :(

Balthazar said, April 08, 2014, 07:01:29 pm
I'm all for putting the focus solely on Ryu for now!
I agree.
Last Edit: April 08, 2014, 07:16:23 pm by Alex Sinigaglia

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#228  April 08, 2014, 07:17:19 pm
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Right. The priority is on Ryu. The poll for Sagat was okay in the same vein as the thread for mini games. It's too early but it's fine. If we know which sprite sets will be used early on then work could get started by a random user to fix them. I doubt Sagat will even be the 2nd character made. There is PLENTY of time. Heck by then a new sprite set could potentially be released as well.

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#229  April 08, 2014, 07:28:08 pm
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--- PAUSE!!! ---

- JnP: I don't mind which Sagat is the chosen one. As you said, it's easy to do a spriteswap in the .sff(T. vincenson also told me about this earlier today). I don't see a problem if ArmSagat is the choice...even it's the terrible choice. I have took some of my time watching where are the mistakes of the sheet, and as I said, there's not just a thing of 3 or 4 sprites. The most noticeable thing are the pants.  About Ryu: I also don't mind, because CvS' sprites are fine too, and they fit here. I offered myself to fix Armentis' version and I did. This version wasn't chosen, so, what? No problem. I told Armentis I would send that fixed sheet to him, so he can upload it to his DA too and share with the community. No problem here :). But Sagat's very different. While Ryu was amazing, the one-eyed giant seems rushed. That's all.

- Titiln: You're right, it's "a bit" time consuming. I know Armentis' took his time converting(reshading) the mostly all the sprites, but forgot some things, missed lines, and better not speak about the pants. That's why I prefer CvS/SFZ3 or Chucho/Chamat's versions over Armentis'. That's all.

- Iced: Totally agree with you. I would suggest something for "maybe" next updates(Cammy, for example), but I will speak about this in a future.

- Umezono: I'm not going to be that person. As Balthazar, I prefer making a sprite from the begining than editing a previous one. I know it's more time consuming, but at least I know where are my mistakes. I can't know what's up with X's sprites, or where are the wrong things, unless I check sprite by sprite...and that's a time better spent in spriting. Because SPRITING is my field, I have had developed an eye to details. An seeing a lot of mistakes in a single sprite(imagine a full sheet) just rages my eyes. Geez, I even "rage" when I post a sprite of me and THEN I see a mistake. Even if it's a single pixel out of the place.

- DKDC: Exactly. I'm not going to stop people using Armentis', because I don't have to. Everyone has their choices. Even if I don't agree with them.

- Balthazar: don't worry :P!

- Alex S.: Don't worry. Maybe you had no time while putting the poll, that's all. I understand. Noproblems :)



Now, let's go!

EDIT(and totally off topic about Ryu's topic):
I'm making colours separations for potential characters for this project. Armentis' Ryu is going to receive that treatment too(because I LOVE those sprites he did and converted). Also, SFZ Mika, DeeJay and Gen(I know Varo_Hades did his version too). I'm doubtful about which CS should Karin receive.
I swear there was something cool here!!

Umezono

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#230  April 08, 2014, 07:32:25 pm
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DKDC said, April 08, 2014, 07:01:08 pm
Umezono said, April 08, 2014, 06:10:36 pm
but you said you would refuse to work on it, what if nobody else has the ability to do it? then this whole thing comes to a halt over sagat.
Umezono said, April 08, 2014, 06:38:32 pm
And Id still like to know what happens if armsagat wins. Do you have a seperate person to do completations?
... Then they use Armentis' Sagat anyway ? Felo said he wouldn't stop it, only he wouldn't fix it. You're asking who's going to do if not him, but those questions are way too early here. None of them is going to get committed right now to doing stuff that won't be close to ready even a year from now.
Felo got a little emotional about his area of expertise but you're pressing it a bit too hard.
Well no I was just taking issue with this poll really. Especially when right now theres nobody to commit

JustNoPoint

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#231  April 08, 2014, 07:47:01 pm
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There are a lot of potential spriters that could commit. Heck, I could work on them myself a little if I needed too. It's just not important in the now.

JustNoPoint

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#232  April 10, 2014, 05:28:02 pm
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HAHA oh shit it's a tie!!!

Armentis and CVS Sagat

That's good. Means we don't have to fully commit yet :P

AlexSin

Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#233  April 10, 2014, 10:16:47 pm
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Hahah, I was expecting that.

CvS Sagat (by Capcom)                      23 (39%)
Armentis Sagat (SvC edited to CvS)     23 (39%)
eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu Sagat (SF3-styled sprites with palette change and scale adjustment)    13 (22%)

Total voters: 59
Last Edit: April 11, 2014, 10:42:10 am by Alex Sinigaglia

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Re: Street Fighter + Poll: Sagat spriteset: CvS, Armentis or eFeX/Chamat/Chuchoryu?
#234  April 11, 2014, 11:44:12 am
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Alex Sinigaglia said, April 10, 2014, 10:16:47 pm
CvS Sagat (by Capcom)                      23 (39%)
Armentis Sagat (SvC edited to CvS)     23 (39%)


So...? Now, we have two options:
- Choosing the one who would need less work(CvS/SFZ Sagat)
OR
- Making a new poll, ONLY with these two options.
I swear there was something cool here!!

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Re: Street Fighter - General Brainstorming topic -
#235  April 11, 2014, 12:04:22 pm
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Just go with CvS Sagat I say because probably more edits /sprite expansions of him exist.
Plus, how did we get on this Sagat poll anyway? There are a ton more characters that have perfectly existing CvS sprites to work with,
we shouldn't be dealing with these kinds of issues yet.

Iced

Re: Street Fighter - General Brainstorming topic -
#236  April 11, 2014, 12:10:00 pm
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There is zero reason to be going over those, define targets , make those targets.
refine system etc.

This is like deciding what fireball sprite will be used before coding in any actual movement.

AlexSin

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#237  April 11, 2014, 12:40:34 pm
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Yeah, let's wait at least until Ryu is done.

Removing poll.

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#238  April 11, 2014, 03:55:37 pm
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Future talk...

I wouldn't mind revamping all the characters stances to be more of a SF3 animation standard. I got this idea when looking through Darkstalkers animations.

I think this would be a good place to start in giving some of these same old cvs sprites a make over. Something special for a project like this. not that its priority or anything.

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#239  April 11, 2014, 05:22:52 pm
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【ＭＦＧ】Iced said, April 11, 2014, 12:10:00 pm
There is zero reason to be going over those, define targets , make those targets.
refine system etc.

This is like deciding what fireball sprite will be used before coding in any actual movement.
I wouldn't say there is ZERO reason. A lot of this project is fun future what if stuff as well. Simply discussing things that are 10 years into the future isn't going to hurt anything. It helps build the hype and could be useful to come back and read. The priority is set in stone and we're not deviating from the work task.

ink said, April 11, 2014, 03:55:37 pm
Future talk...

I wouldn't mind revamping all the characters stances to be more of a SF3 animation standard. I got this idea when looking through Darkstalkers animations.

I think this would be a good place to start in giving some of these same old cvs sprites a make over. Something special for a project like this. not that its priority or anything.
I like the idea a lot. It's always fun to have stance options!
However, would you be opposed to making any missing Ryu animations 1st? I don't think there are a whole lot. Maybe convert his gi explosion from throwing a fireball in SF3? That could be good for the super fireballs. And if you can convert this get up into hurricane kick animation
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yTeFELGlbdA#t=205

Are there any other animations we might want for Ryu first guys?
I think Felo in converting some more from Balthazar's SFA sprites. Including the most important, the focus attack which will be his alpha counter.

Then start converting any stances you wish while Ryu is being finalized

One thing that's already come from this project... it's giving the community a bunch of new material already so everyone helping should feel very proud!
Last Edit: April 11, 2014, 06:32:37 pm by Just No Point

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Re: Street Fighter - General Brainstorming topic -
#240  April 11, 2014, 05:58:11 pm
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Just No Point said, April 11, 2014, 05:22:52 pm
Are there any other animations we might want for Ryu first guys?
SF4-style Shin Shouryuuken (the startup, and the massive liver punch need to be more impressive than just one still frame)
SF3-styled Tatsumaki, it doesn't need much to look close enough, I made a very simple edit on one frame for a test (the main one, hitting with the leg) (I don't have it at work, I'll post it later)
edit (not merged double-post because the option's gone) :
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Last Edit: April 11, 2014, 06:42:04 pm by DKDC
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