But what I find strange is that there is a push for balance with Draculina but no real indication of how to do so.

DivineWolf said, February 27, 2014, 11:44:46 pm

Things have branched out beyond the intent of "eye candy". Balancing a char, especially one in this state, isn't as simple as just changing some standard values like life, atk, etc. I don't see why this wall of text was needed, as a lot of what you said, just by me skimming over it, isn't really relevant. You can't argue the fact the the char is unbalanced. Though in retrospect, that's what I said, that the original intent wasn't balance at all. Sky asked for people's opinions on balancing her, because he plans to make an actual competent version of her. People gave him responses to his questions.

It's pretty cut and dry. There may not be any standard per-say, but there is a level of quality the general masses want. There are standards in terms of fighting games, that chars should follow regardless. Like frame advantages and disadvantages, attack priority, etc. This char doesn't follow any of that protocol, as [E] gave you examples of. If all you care about is fulfilling you sexual desires with the char, that's fine. Though, there's no sense in you criticizing anyone who has a different opinion on the matter. It's not fuss, it's their opinion. Their preference. Just like you have yours.

I respect what you have to say. That there are standards of design that, while not explicitly stated, are still there nonetheless and should be adhered to promote a higher quality.

But what I find strange is that there is a push for balance with Draculina but no real indication of how to do so. And what I find a bit stranger is the use of balance in a game where the roster of opponents can vary 100% between users. So how can you say a character is balanced if you have no idea how balanced the other characters are going to be? At that point, how useful/ playable is a balanced character when the other characters aren't balanced at all? How can you tell when a character is balanced? What is this standard? Wouldn't this design principle come into play with a game that isn't as user-defined but is instead made by one developer so that they can track the characters better?

Altrunchen said, February 28, 2014, 12:01:42 am

But what I find strange is that there is a push for balance with Draculina but no real indication of how to do so.

Because nobody is going to make the character for you. Study actual fighting games and see what's good and bad design. We can help you, but we're not going to hold your hand here.

Where is this "push" you're referring to? I've only seen a couple people mention anything about balancing her, and that was because of Sky asking for opinions on the matter. You seem way too defensive of this char... As far as balance goes, one that knows native fighting game pros and cons will know. The coder making a char(usually), those who test chars, will know. That's what feedback is for. With something like MUGEN though, it is up to the individual to decide what they perceive as balanced on not. One's roster will attest to what kind of content they like, so on and so forth. With a freeware program such as this, that's just the way it is. If other chars aren't meeting to your standards/balancing preference, you can just get rid of said char from you roster. It's all about picking and choosing with MUGEN.

Altrunchen said, February 28, 2014, 12:01:42 am

DivineWolf said, February 27, 2014, 11:44:46 pm

Things have branched out beyond the intent of "eye candy". Balancing a char, especially one in this state, isn't as simple as just changing some standard values like life, atk, etc. I don't see why this wall of text was needed, as a lot of what you said, just by me skimming over it, isn't really relevant. You can't argue the fact the the char is unbalanced. Though in retrospect, that's what I said, that the original intent wasn't balance at all. Sky asked for people's opinions on balancing her, because he plans to make an actual competent version of her. People gave him responses to his questions.

It's pretty cut and dry. There may not be any standard per-say, but there is a level of quality the general masses want. There are standards in terms of fighting games, that chars should follow regardless. Like frame advantages and disadvantages, attack priority, etc. This char doesn't follow any of that protocol, as [E] gave you examples of. If all you care about is fulfilling you sexual desires with the char, that's fine. Though, there's no sense in you criticizing anyone who has a different opinion on the matter. It's not fuss, it's their opinion. Their preference. Just like you have yours.

I respect what you have to say. That there are standards of design that, while not explicitly stated, are still there nonetheless and should be adhered to promote a higher quality.

But what I find strange is that there is a push for balance with Draculina but no real indication of how to do so. And what I find a bit stranger is the use of balance in a game where the roster of opponents can vary 100% between users. So how can you say a character is balanced if you have no idea how balanced the other characters are going to be? At that point, how useful/ playable is a balanced character when the other characters aren't balanced at all? How can you tell when a character is balanced? What is this standard? Wouldn't this design principle come into play with a game that isn't as user-defined but is instead made by one developer so that they can track the characters better?

it depends on the roster of your mugen, if your roster is filled with evil rare guys obviosuly this character will be balanced, but the whole game will still be broken; in this forum you can assume that balances refers to the type of characters the users of this forum have in thier rosters, a good indication of what those chaarcters are  is by watchign the release topics and check the most popular ones that do not involve flaming; in this forum that's even easier as we have the character of the month stuff, so you can assume balance against the cotm winners and maybe the nominees.

that being said balance in mugen as we are speaking is not even close to balance in most real fighting games, while one can argue taht kula/gato/oswald are unbalanced in kof11, that kind of unbalance is ver tame compared to a "balanced" mugen. balance in a fighting game means most characters having a good chance to defeat any other character, balance in mugen means been actually able to enjoy a fight without one side completely dominating the other.

I don't know if this would help to the thread, but "Draculina" is a spanish name that means something like "She-Dracula", probably the author knew that and put that name on her (I must to say in a beginning she looked to me as Genderbender/Midnight Bliss version of DS's Jedah)

Also, I played with her and reafirm what I said: beautiful sprites (and even sparks), but they're wasted by creator itself in various things:
-anims are too quick to see better the sprites
-there's almost no transitions between anims (goes from energic pose into stiff standing in less than a second)
-misaligned sprites
-not to mention the hentai/porn content, of course

Also, the character itself is very cheap, easily I can win a round in a few of seconds, especially for those projectiles in their strong buttons (z and c) and the abusive normal punches and kicks

Can i call her Bob?

why not have a cliche name like Scarlett Moonrazer or Luna Bloodmoon.